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From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Dec 30 13:23:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt060nc5.san.rr.com [204.210.35.197]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA05863 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:23:07 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA05917 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:22:31 -0800 Received: from rollercoaster.com (dt083n64.san.rr.com [204.210.25.100]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA05913 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:22:30 -0800 Received: from frontseat.san.rr.com (dt083n46.san.rr.com [204.210.25.70]) by rollercoaster.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA28028 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:19:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199712302119.NAA28028@rollercoaster.com> X-Sender: jim@rollercoaster.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:22:30 -0800 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org From: Jim Serio Subject: Damn Eudora is stupid! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1 You think Qualcomm would enter the word "Eudora" in their spell checker since the internal spell checker wnats to change it to "Aurora". Version 4 supports HTML now and they don't even have HTML, Netscape or WWW in their dictionary! Pathetic! Jim -- Jim Serio jim@rollercoaster.com PGP Key ID: 0xE5E9F23E - ICQ: 2432619 World of Coasters - http://www.rollercoaster.com The Web's Premier Coaster Site! From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Dec 30 08:45:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (nuthaus.extern.ucsd.edu [137.110.9.25]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id IAA31659 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:45:17 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id IAA16559 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:41:11 -0800 Received: from daver.UUCP (Udaver@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with UUCP id IAA16384 for talk-ucsd; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:30:55 -0800 Received: from bonzo.org(really [24.4.65.80]) by daver.bungi.com via sendmail with esmtp id for ; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:20:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.8.7/8.6.9) id SAA00957; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:17:11 -0800 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:17:11 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: Talk-UCSD Subject: tech support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2 Hi. I am having a problem with my cable modem. The cable light keeps flashing, and no data goes accross it. Well 9 out of 10 times that indicates a problem with your ethernet card. Um, Thats the PC light. The cable light indicates it can't establish communication with anything accross the coax. A little earlier... Ok Sir. Could you unplug the telephone looking connector from the back of the cable modem. Ok. You want me to unplug the RJ-45 connector from the cable modem. Sure. Sir I want to you unplug the telephone looking jack from the cable modem. Yea. The RJ-45. I am doing it now. The one that looks like a phone connector sir. Mark"Thank g-d it started working on its own" ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD You couldn't get a clue during the marka@bonzo.org clue mating season in a field full http://www.bonzo.org/~marka of horny clues if you smeared your Pager:619-785-1053 body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.-Edward Flaherty From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Dec 24 14:39:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA21118 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 14:39:23 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA28870 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 14:40:07 -0800 Received: from beasley.cisco.com (mailgate-sj-2.cisco.com [171.69.2.135]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA28866 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 14:40:05 -0800 Received: from proxy2.cisco.com (proxy2.cisco.com [192.31.7.89]) by beasley.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id OAA24874 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 14:40:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by proxy2.cisco.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA28658 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 14:40:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from reza.cisco.com(171.68.205.111) by proxy2.cisco.com via smap (V2.0) id xma028656; Wed, 24 Dec 97 22:40:00 GMT Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15947 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 14:43:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712242243.OAA15947@reza.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: memory prices In-reply-to: allan's message of Tue, 23 Dec 1997 22:31:42 -0800. X-Password: foobar X-Protest: Say no to bad beer. X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-url: http://www.reza.net/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 14:43:17 -0800 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3 i actually crashed it (the web browser). Guess what is shipped with Microsoft CE? I just installed the SF and San Jose maps on it -- wow!! no more yahoo maps for reza. and my favorite tequilla bar is programmed in already (has points of interestest on it too) Reza > > > > this thing rox. built in modem, web broser, all the other goodies. > > Dare I ask, What's the web browser that's built in? > > :-) > > --Allan > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Dec 23 22:33:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA29494 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 22:33:18 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id WAA24441 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 22:33:02 -0800 Received: from carhart.com (carhart.com [206.14.125.169]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA24434 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 22:32:59 -0800 From: allan@carhart.com Received: from localhost (allan@localhost) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with SMTP id WAA29442 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 22:31:42 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 22:31:42 -0800 (PST) To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: memory prices In-Reply-To: <199712232146.NAA02388@reza.cisco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4 > > this thing rox. built in modem, web broser, all the other goodies. Dare I ask, What's the web browser that's built in? :-) --Allan From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Dec 23 18:49:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA23940 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 18:49:37 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA23224 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 18:50:23 -0800 Received: from rollercoaster.com (dt083n64.san.rr.com [204.210.25.100]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA23220 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 18:50:22 -0800 Received: (from jim@localhost) by rollercoaster.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA31474 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 18:47:30 -0800 From: Jim Serio Message-Id: <199712240247.SAA31474@rollercoaster.com> Subject: Re: Power Y splitter To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 18:47:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Mark Ayzenshteyn" at Dec 23, 97 05:08:18 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5 > > $2.99 at Fry's or you could check out PC Club. > > PC club had them marked at $3, but only charged me $4.31 for 2. Well good for you. Jim From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Dec 23 17:08:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA21180 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:08:03 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA22672 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:08:38 -0800 Received: from bonzo.org (cx38958-a.elcjn1.sdca.home.com [24.4.65.80]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA22668 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:08:35 -0800 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.8.7/8.6.9) id RAA00934; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:08:18 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:08:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Power Y splitter In-Reply-To: <199712232210.OAA30363@rollercoaster.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6 On Tue, 23 Dec 1997, Jim Serio wrote: > $2.99 at Fry's or you could check out PC Club. PC club had them marked at $3, but only charged me $4.31 for 2. Mark ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD You couldn't get a clue during the marka@bonzo.org clue mating season in a field full http://www.bonzo.org/~marka of horny clues if you smeared your Pager:619-785-1053 body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.-Edward Flaherty From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Dec 23 14:13:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA16563 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:13:02 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA21716 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:13:43 -0800 Received: from rollercoaster.com (dt083n64.san.rr.com [204.210.25.100]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA21712 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:13:43 -0800 Received: (from jim@localhost) by rollercoaster.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA30363 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:10:51 -0800 From: Jim Serio Message-Id: <199712232210.OAA30363@rollercoaster.com> Subject: Re: Power Y splitter To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:10:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Mark Ayzenshteyn" at Dec 22, 97 03:13:27 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7 > Does anyone know of a place in San Diego to get a cheap > power y spiltter to split a power cable inside the > computer? Last time I needed one I paid $5 which I know > was way too much, but I didn't feel like driving around. > This time I want to get one without paying through the > nose for it. $2.99 at Fry's or you could check out PC Club. Jim From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Dec 23 14:04:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA16277 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:04:04 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA21644 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:04:47 -0800 Received: from rollercoaster.com (dt083n64.san.rr.com [204.210.25.100]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA21640 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:04:47 -0800 Received: (from jim@localhost) by rollercoaster.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA30268 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:01:55 -0800 From: Jim Serio Message-Id: <199712232201.OAA30268@rollercoaster.com> Subject: Re: memory prices To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:01:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199712232146.NAA02388@reza.cisco.com> from "Reza Naima" at Dec 23, 97 01:46:36 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8 > this thing ROCKS. i can't believe i got it for so cheap. It was normaly > $400, but if you say the right thing (a friend gave me the tip yesterday) > they'll sell it to you for $99. :))))) Last month Office Club was selling teh Casio personal pocket computers with 2MB and Windows CE for $99, regular $400 or so. Jim From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Dec 23 13:43:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA15691 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 13:42:58 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA21439 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 13:43:27 -0800 Received: from beasley.cisco.com (mailgate-sj-2.cisco.com [171.69.2.135]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA21435 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 13:43:26 -0800 Received: from proxy2.cisco.com (proxy2.cisco.com [192.31.7.89]) by beasley.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id NAA08597 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 13:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by proxy2.cisco.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA21993 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 13:43:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from reza.cisco.com(171.68.205.111) by proxy2.cisco.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021988; Tue, 23 Dec 97 21:43:20 GMT Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02388 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 13:46:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712232146.NAA02388@reza.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: memory prices In-reply-to: marka's message of Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:45:57 -0800. X-Password: foobar X-Protest: Say no to bad beer. X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-url: http://www.reza.net/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 13:46:36 -0800 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 9 I just got the coolest toy for myself. a 4M velo computer for $100!!!! this thing ROCKS. i can't believe i got it for so cheap. It was normaly $400, but if you say the right thing (a friend gave me the tip yesterday) they'll sell it to you for $99. :))))) Reza and unless you wana come up to walnut creek in the sf bay area soon today, i doubt you will get lucky. You can try though -- ask about the advertised compact on sale for $99 at office depot -- the one here says that they're out but because so many people have complained, they'll offer you the velo for the same price. this thing rox. built in modem, web broser, all the other goodies. From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Dec 22 15:45:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA15803 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:45:38 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA15154 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:46:12 -0800 Received: from bonzo.org (cx38958-a.elcjn1.sdca.home.com [24.4.65.80]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA15150 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:46:10 -0800 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.8.7/8.6.9) id PAA00538; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:45:57 -0800 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:45:57 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: memory prices In-Reply-To: <199712222318.PAA28734@dragonlair.dal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10 On Mon, 22 Dec 1997, Dalvenjah FoxFire wrote: > > Oh, I saw that }:> I'm currently wondering why they're selling > 32M SDRAM for $62 and 64M SDRAM for $202... > > (I'm actually waiting for the price of the 128M DIMMs to come down.. > $420 *sigh*) Damn, I wish I could buy more toys. Unfortunely I have squandered my toy fund on SCSI toys. :) To get back to the topic of SCSI controllers for Linux. I ended up going with a tekram 390F. This is a NCR875 based controller that has command tag queueing as well as boot BIOS. It has external and internal 68 pin interfaces as well as an internal 50 pin. They gave me 50 & 68 pin cables with it and the whole thing only set me back $130+shipping etc. Once I figured out which drivers to use with linux the thing works flawlessy. Trekram also provides some linux support. They wrote their own drivers which you can get as diffs for kernel 2.0.0. The BSD->Linux port of the NCR8XX drivers works better though. It was pretty cool to see the IDE->SCSI copy. The IDE light would just say on and the SCSI light would come on for a second every 7 seconds or so. Mark"swapping ain't so bad at 8meg/sec" ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD You couldn't get a clue during the marka@bonzo.org clue mating season in a field full http://www.bonzo.org/~marka of horny clues if you smeared your Pager:619-785-1053 body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.-Edward Flaherty From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Dec 22 15:17:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA15113 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:17:40 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA14405 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:18:11 -0800 Received: from dragonlair.dal.net (dt061nba.san.rr.com [204.210.36.186]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA14401 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:18:09 -0800 Received: (from dalvenja@localhost) by dragonlair.dal.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA28734 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:18:09 -0800 From: Dalvenjah FoxFire Message-Id: <199712222318.PAA28734@dragonlair.dal.net> Subject: Re: memory prices To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:18:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Mark Ayzenshteyn" at Dec 22, 97 03:15:01 pm X-URL: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 11 Mark Ayzenshteyn put this into my mailbox: > > Go to www.pricewatch.com and checkout their > daily/weekly/whatever specials section. There are some > nice ads for memory in there. Oh, I saw that }:> I'm currently wondering why they're selling 32M SDRAM for $62 and 64M SDRAM for $202... (I'm actually waiting for the price of the 128M DIMMs to come down.. $420 *sigh*) -dalvenjah -- Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) I bet living in a nudist colony takes Founder, the DALnet IRC Network all the fun out of Halloween. e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Dec 22 15:14:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA15034 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:14:55 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA14305 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:15:14 -0800 Received: from bonzo.org (cx38958-a.elcjn1.sdca.home.com [24.4.65.80]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA14301 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:15:13 -0800 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.8.7/8.6.9) id PAA00507; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:15:01 -0800 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:15:01 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: memory prices In-Reply-To: <199712222309.PAA28444@dragonlair.dal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12 Go to www.pricewatch.com and checkout their daily/weekly/whatever specials section. There are some nice ads for memory in there. Mark On Mon, 22 Dec 1997, Dalvenjah FoxFire wrote: > Mark Ayzenshteyn put this into my mailbox: > > > > Holly shit! > > > > There are places online that are offeing 32 meg EDO > > simms for ~$37 each and DIMMS for ~$55 each. > > > > Damn that alot of memory for a ridicuslosly low price. > > Where?? Bah - you can't just bait us like that and then leave us > hanging. }:> > > -dalvenjah > > -- > Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) "Life is anything that dies when > Founder, the DALnet IRC Network you stomp on it." -Dave Barry > > e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ > whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/ > ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD You couldn't get a clue during the marka@bonzo.org clue mating season in a field full http://www.bonzo.org/~marka of horny clues if you smeared your Pager:619-785-1053 body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.-Edward Flaherty From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Dec 22 15:13:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA14978 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:12:58 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA14270 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:13:40 -0800 Received: from bonzo.org (cx38958-a.elcjn1.sdca.home.com [24.4.65.80]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA14266 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:13:39 -0800 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.8.7/8.6.9) id PAA00498; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:13:27 -0800 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:13:27 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: Talk-UCSD Subject: Power Y splitter Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 13 Hi all, Does anyone know of a place in San Diego to get a cheap power y spiltter to split a power cable inside the computer? Last time I needed one I paid $5 which I know was way too much, but I didn't feel like driving around. This time I want to get one without paying through the nose for it. Mark ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD You couldn't get a clue during the marka@bonzo.org clue mating season in a field full http://www.bonzo.org/~marka of horny clues if you smeared your Pager:619-785-1053 body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.-Edward Flaherty From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Dec 22 15:09:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA14882 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:09:02 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA14217 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:09:40 -0800 Received: from dragonlair.dal.net (dt061nba.san.rr.com [204.210.36.186]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA14213 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:09:39 -0800 Received: (from dalvenja@localhost) by dragonlair.dal.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA28444 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:09:37 -0800 From: Dalvenjah FoxFire Message-Id: <199712222309.PAA28444@dragonlair.dal.net> Subject: Re: memory prices To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:09:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Mark Ayzenshteyn" at Dec 22, 97 02:45:27 pm X-URL: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 14 Mark Ayzenshteyn put this into my mailbox: > > Holly shit! > > There are places online that are offeing 32 meg EDO > simms for ~$37 each and DIMMS for ~$55 each. > > Damn that alot of memory for a ridicuslosly low price. Where?? Bah - you can't just bait us like that and then leave us hanging. }:> -dalvenjah -- Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) "Life is anything that dies when Founder, the DALnet IRC Network you stomp on it." -Dave Barry e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Dec 22 14:45:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA14295 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:45:31 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA14091 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:45:46 -0800 Received: from bonzo.org (cx38958-a.elcjn1.sdca.home.com [24.4.65.80]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA14087 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:45:44 -0800 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.8.7/8.6.9) id OAA00464; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:45:27 -0800 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:45:27 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: memory prices Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 15 Holly shit! There are places online that are offeing 32 meg EDO simms for ~$37 each and DIMMS for ~$55 each. Damn that alot of memory for a ridicuslosly low price. Mark ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD You couldn't get a clue during the marka@bonzo.org clue mating season in a field full http://www.bonzo.org/~marka of horny clues if you smeared your Pager:619-785-1053 body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.-Edward Flaherty From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Dec 19 19:15:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA12548 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:15:28 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id TAA11000 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:15:18 -0800 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA10996 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:15:17 -0800 Received: from localhost (rkleeman@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA09310 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:15:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:15:18 -0800 (PST) From: Bobby Kleemann To: Talk List Subject: Engineers Rule! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 16 Engineer vs. Physicist A Physicist and an Engineer are sitting next to each other on a long flight from LA to NY. The Physicist leans over to the Engineer and asks if he would like to play a fun game. The Engineer just wants to take a nap, so he politely declines and rolls over to the window to catch a few winks. The Physicist persists and explains that the game is real easy and a lotta fun. He explains "I ask you a question, and if you don't know the answer, you pay me $5. Then you ask me a question, and if I don't know the answer, I'll pay you $5." Again, the Engineer politely declines and tries to get to sleep. The Physicist now somewhat agitated, says, "OK, if you don't know the answer you pay me $5, and if I don't know the answer, I'll pay you $50!" This catches the Engineer's attention, and he sees no end to this torment unless he plays, so he agrees to the game. The Physicist asks the first question. "What's the distance from Earth to Neptune?" The Engineer doesn't say a word, but reaches into his wallet, pulls out a five dollar bill and hands it to the Physicist. Now, it's the Engineer's turn. He asks the Physicist "What goes up a hill with three legs, and comes down on four?" The Physicist looks up at him with a puzzled look. He takes out his laptop computer and searches all of his references. He taps into the Airphone with his modem and searches the net and the Library of Congress. Frustrated, he sends e-mail to his co-workers-all to no avail. After about an hour, he wakes the Engineer and hands him $50. The Engineer politely takes the $50 and turns away to try to get back to sleep. The Physicist more than a little miffed, shakes the Engineer and asks "Well, so what's the answer?" ....without a word, the Engineer reaches into his wallet, hands the Physicist $5, and turns away to get back to sleep. From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Dec 18 23:31:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA14071 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:31:39 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id XAA04565 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:31:18 -0800 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA04561 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:31:16 -0800 Received: from localhost (rkleeman@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA02189 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:31:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:31:17 -0800 (PST) From: Bobby Kleemann To: Talk List Subject: Santa Pilot (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 17 > Seen on a sig line: "Save Santa a trip; be naughty!" > > > ~~~ Yo, Ho, Oh No! ~~~ > > > Santa Claus, like all pilots, gets regular visits from the Federal > Aviation Administration, and the FAA examiner arrived last week for > the pre-Christmas flight check. > > In preparation, Santa had the elves wash the sled and bathe all the > reindeer. Santa got his logbook out and made sure all his paperwork > was in order. He knew they would examine all his equipment and truly > put Santa's flying skills to the test... > > The examiner walked slowly around the sled. He checked the reindeer > harnesses, the landing gear, and Rudolf's nose. He painstakingly > reviewed Santa's weight and balance calculations for sled's enormous > payload. > > Finally, they were ready for the checkride. Santa got in and > fastened his seatbelt and shoulder harness and checked the compass. > Then the examiner hopped in carrying, to Santa's surprise, a shotgun. > > "What's that for?!?" asked Santa incredulously. > > The examiner winked and said, "I'm not supposed to tell you this > ahead of time," as he leaned over to whisper in Santa's ear, "but > you're gonna lose an engine on takeoff." From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Dec 16 03:35:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA09620 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 03:35:41 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id DAA15358 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 03:35:09 -0800 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id DAA15354 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 03:35:07 -0800 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id DAA28464 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 03:35:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 03:35:07 -0800 (PST) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: UCSD Talk Subject: y! Message-ID: X-Organization: GlobalCenter X-Title: Network Engineer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 18 really? cool... -T :) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:03:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Serio Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: y From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Dec 15 11:50:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA15868 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:50:09 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA10264 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:49:46 -0800 Received: from mailgate-rtp-1.cisco.com (mailgate-rtp-1.cisco.com [171.69.160.46]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA10260 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:49:45 -0800 Received: from proxy2.cisco.com (proxy2.cisco.com [192.31.7.89]) by mailgate-rtp-1.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id OAA25100 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:49:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by proxy2.cisco.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA23514 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from reza.cisco.com(171.68.205.111) by proxy2.cisco.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023504; Mon, 15 Dec 97 19:49:39 GMT Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00768 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:52:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712151952.LAA00768@reza.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: UUCP problems fixed - lists should be better now In-reply-to: atilghma's message of Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:47:23 -0800. <199712151547.HAA07025@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org> X-Password: foobar X-Protest: Say no to bad beer. X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-url: http://www.reza.net/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:52:45 -0800 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 19 Someone actually still uses uucp? wierd... Reza From owner-linux-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Dec 15 07:48:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id HAA08463 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:48:27 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id HAA07049 for linux-ucsd-out; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:47:28 -0800 Received: (from atilghma@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id HAA07025; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:47:23 -0800 From: Adam Tilghman Message-Id: <199712151547.HAA07025@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org> Subject: UUCP problems fixed - lists should be better now To: talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org, cs-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org, linux-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:47:23 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 20 Over the weekend I found out about a mail problem which (I guess?) has been plaguing MIB.ORG for about a month or so. Evidently my UUCP backup mail forwarder hasn't been able to log on and transfer mail messages, so things were occasionally bouncing. I fixed the problem (a permissions error on my end). Sorry folks! Once I started up the UUCP transfer I got plenty of messages from you all informing me of the problem. Sweet irony, or something :-) -- Adam -- Adam Tilghman +1 619 457 3064 :' ': '. :. ': adam@mib.org f 'n 'o 'r d From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Sat Dec 13 10:05:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA00191 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 10:05:46 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA19142 for talk-ucsd-out; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 10:06:04 -0800 Received: from rollercoaster.com (dt080n2a.san.rr.com [204.210.22.42]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA19138 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 10:06:04 -0800 Received: from frontseat.san.rr.com (dt084n02.san.rr.com [204.210.26.2]) by rollercoaster.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28879 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 10:02:46 -0800 Message-Id: <199712131802.KAA28879@rollercoaster.com> X-Sender: jim@rollercoaster.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 10:06:02 -0800 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org From: Jim Serio Subject: Post-Final get together? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 21 I know it's late notice but seeing as I think I actually passed my Spanish class this time around I was interested in seeing if anyone is up for somethign tonight. Maybe pizza and movie or pool or bowling? If anyone else is interested just post here or e-mail me. Jim -- Jim Serio jim@rollercoaster.com (PGP Key ID: 0xE5E9F23E) World of Coasters - http://www.rollercoaster.com The Web's Premier Coaster Site! From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Dec 12 14:35:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA04180 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:35:13 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA13218 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:35:22 -0800 Received: from rollercoaster.com (dt080n2a.san.rr.com [204.210.22.42]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA13214 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:35:21 -0800 Received: from bfs.ucsd.edu (bfstpc220-150.ucsd.edu [132.239.220.150]) by rollercoaster.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA09942 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:32:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199712122232.OAA09942@rollercoaster.com> X-Sender: jim@rollercoaster.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:36:12 -0800 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org From: Jim Serio Subject: Re: SCSI In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 22 >Could someone explain to me the theoretical maxiumum speed of an Ultra Narrow >SCSI-3 device. I have read all the faqs and web sites and I am still >confused. :) >My guess is that since the Ultra bus runs at 20 MHz the maxiumum theortical >speed is 20 megs/sec. Am I right? Yes. remember I had to shell out $39 for that wide -> narrow connector for my 9G? The "narrow" refers to the connector as far as I know, since my IBM comes in 2 flavors. Ultra Narrow (20MBps) and Ultra Wide (40MBps). The narrow is the 50pin and the Wide is the 68 or 80 pin versions. Jim -- Jim Serio jim@rollercoaster.com (PGP Key ID: 0xE5E9F23E) World of Coasters - http://www.rollercoaster.com The Web's Premier Coaster Site! From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Dec 12 12:57:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA01639 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:57:56 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id MAA12671 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:57:40 -0800 Received: from bonzo.org (cx38958-a.elcjn1.sdca.home.com [24.4.65.80]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA12667 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:57:37 -0800 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.8.7/8.6.9) id MAA18135; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:56:25 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:56:24 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: SCSI Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 23 Hi all, Could someone explain to me the theoretical maxiumum speed of an Ultra Narrow SCSI-3 device. I have read all the faqs and web sites and I am still confused. :) My guess is that since the Ultra bus runs at 20 MHz the maxiumum theortical speed is 20 megs/sec. Am I right? Also here is a scsi controller question. If U have controller with a Wide interface and 2 narrow ones can they slow down each other? Lets say I have a narrow drive on the narrow interface and 2 wide ones on the wide interface. I guess my question is can a good controller like an Adaptec 2940UW send SCSI commands down more then one interface similtaniously? Mark ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD You couldn't get a clue during the marka@bonzo.org clue mating season in a field full http://www.bonzo.org/~marka of horny clues if you smeared your Pager:619-785-1053 body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.-Edward Flaherty From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Dec 12 11:05:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA31638 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:05:02 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA11552 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:05:24 -0800 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA11548 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:05:23 -0800 Received: from localhost (rkleeman@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA13535; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:05:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:05:23 -0800 (PST) From: Bobby Kleemann To: Talk List cc: Patrick McKinney Subject: Fire water (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 24 ------- Start of forwarded message ------- > > TOKYO (AP) -- Here in the chic pubs of the Aoyama district, the latest > fad inspired by beer makers struggling through a sluggish economy is the > flammable suds of the new Hydrogen Beer. The latest craze among the > environmentally conscious crowd of twentysomethings, the "Suiso" beer > made by the Asaka Beer Corporation has been extremely popular at karaoke > sing-along bars and discotheques. > > Hydrogen, like helium, is a gas lighter than air. Because hydrogen > molecules are lighter than air, sound waves are transmitted more rapidly; > individuals whose lungs are filled with the nontoxic gas can speak with > an uncharacteristically high voice. > > Exploiting this quirk of physics, chic urbanites can now sing soprano > parts on karaoke sing-along machines after consuming a big gulp of Suiso > beer. > > The drink comes in a transparent hexagonal bottle imported from the maker > of the new American drink "Zima," according to Hideki Saito, marketing > director of Asaka Beer Corp. While the bottles are imported from > Tennessee, the labels are made with a 100% biodegradable polymer. The > bottle caps are equipped with a safety valve to prevent excess build-up > of pressure in high temperatures. > > The flammable nature of hydrogen has also become another selling point, > even though Asaka has not acknowledged that this was a deliberate > marketing ploy. It has inspired a new fashion of blowing flames from > one's mouth using a cigarette as an ignition source. Many new karaoke > videos feature singers shooting blue flames in slow motion, while flame > contests took place in pubs everywhere in Tokyo on New Year's eve. > > So far, Asaka beer has insisted that the quantities of hydrogen used in > the drinks is too low to create potential for bodily harm. In the > factory, the carbon dioxide that is dissolved in the beer is partially > extracted and replaced with hydrogen gas. Mr. Saito maintained that the > remaining carbon dioxide mixed with hydrogen prevents the rate of > combustion from increasing dramatically. Carbon dioxide is a > nonflammable gas that is naturally contained in the exhaled breath of > humans. > > However, the company has hesitated from marketing the product in the US > due to legal complications. > > Each bottle of Suiso beer sells for approximately 1,200 yen, or eleven > US dollars. The bottles are packed in special crates lined with concrete > to prevent chain explosions in the event of a fire. > ------- End of forwarded message ------- From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Dec 12 10:25:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA30635 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:25:05 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA11358 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:25:05 -0800 Received: from duggy.tns.net (duggy.tns.net [204.216.142.191]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA11351 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:24:58 -0800 Received: (qmail 20152 invoked by uid 501); 12 Dec 1997 18:16:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:16:39 -0800 (PST) From: Duggy To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Not a Chain Letter (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 25 This almost sounds like Reza, except that this guy used capitalization and punctuation. =) Doug -- "Two shot glasses and a teddy bear, please." ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Hello, my name is Alfonso Merkin. I am suffering from > rare and deadly diseases, poor scores on final exams, lack > of sexual activity, fear of being kidnapped and executed by > anal electrocution, and guilt for not sending out 50 billion > fucking forwards sent to me by people who actually believe > that if you send them, that poor 6 year old girl in Arkansas > with lung cancer brought on by second-hand smoke from the > cigarettes smoked by the big bad men who kidnapped her and > took pornographic pictures of her for use on their child > pornography web site will get 6 fucking cents every time you > send me the letter. Do you honestly believe that Bill Gates > is going to give you and everyone you send "his" email to > $1000? How fucking stupid are you? Ooooh, looky here! If I > scroll down this page and make a wish, I'll get laid by > every Victoria's Secret model in the catalog! What a bunch > of bullshit. > So basically, this message is a big FUCK YOU to all the > people out there who have nothing better to do than to send > me stupid forwards. Maybe the evil chainletter leprechauns > will come into my dorm room and sodomize me in my sleep for > not continuing the chain which was started by Jesus in 5 > A.D. and was brought to this country by midget pilgrims on > the Mayflower and if it makes it to the year 2000, it'll be > in the Guinness Book of World Records for longest continuous > streak of blatant stupidity. Fuck them. If you're going to > forward something, at least send something mildly amusing. > I've seen all the "send this to 50 of your closest friends, > and this poor, wretched excuse for a human being will > somehow receive a nickel from some omniscient being" > forwards about 90 times. I don't fucking care. Show a little > intelligence and think about what you're actually > contributing to by sending out forwards. Chances are it's > your own unpopularity. Thank you, and feel free to delete > this email without sending it on to others (unless they have > it coming). > > Al Merkin > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Dec 10 23:40:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA15146 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:40:31 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id XAA01743 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:35:56 -0800 Received: from rollercoaster.com (dt080n2a.san.rr.com [204.210.22.42]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA01739 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:35:55 -0800 Received: from frontseat.san.rr.com (dt084n02.san.rr.com [204.210.26.2]) by rollercoaster.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA29269 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:32:48 -0800 Message-Id: <199712110732.XAA29269@rollercoaster.com> X-Sender: jim@rollercoaster.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:35:55 -0800 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org From: Jim Serio Subject: Cigars Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 26 Reminds me of the burgler who sued the homeowner (and won) because he cut his arm on the broken glass while entering the house! >> Only in America: >> >> A North Carolina man, having bought several expensive cigars, insured >> them >> against... get this... fire. After he had smoked them, he then decided >> that he had a claim against >> the insurance company and filed. The insurance company refused to pay, >> citing the obvious reason that the man had consumed the cigar normally. >> The man sued. The judge >> stated that since the company had insured the cigars against fire, they >> were obligated to pay. After the man accepted payment for his claim, the >> insurance company then had >> the man him arrested . . . for arson. Jim -- Jim Serio jim@rollercoaster.com (PGP Key ID: 0xE5E9F23E) World of Coasters - http://www.rollercoaster.com The Web's Premier Coaster Site! From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Dec 10 19:46:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA08765 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:46:54 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id TAA00803 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:43:43 -0800 Received: from beowulf.ucsd.edu (beowulf.ucsd.edu [132.239.17.2]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA00799 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:43:42 -0800 Received: from 47.san-diego-02.ca.dial-access.att.net (47.san-diego-02.ca.dial-access.att.net [12.64.109.47]) by beowulf.ucsd.edu (8.8.6/8.8.3/External-1.2) with SMTP id TAA29906 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:43:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 47.san-diego-02.ca.dial-access.att.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BD05A3.354EB280@47.san-diego-02.ca.dial-access.att.net>; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:38:36 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD05A3.354EB280@47.san-diego-02.ca.dial-access.att.net> From: Stuart Moskovics To: "'talk-ucsd@mib.org'" Subject: RE: Fun with Encyption Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:38:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD05A3.354EB280" Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 27 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD05A3.354EB280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What do you want to do with this data? Do you want to find some text that has been encrypted with RSA and then hidden via steganography? Assuming these things: * The data is actually RSA Encrypted * You don't know anything about the original message * You don't know the size of the encrypted message * You don't know anything about the recipients of the message * And since you don't know the size of the modulus.... It's actually a lot harder problem than you might think. :-) - Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Russell Gulman [SMTP:rgulman@ucsd.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 6:25 PM To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Fun with Encyption I recieved an unusual request a few days ago by someone looking to de-code some information hidden within digital "snow" (random bits aka noise). Supposedly it is RSA encryped too (I don't know the key size) . I found all of this quite humorous, but it's raised my curiosity nonetheless. Does anybody have any advice or comments about this, or know anyone who plays/works with encryption? 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CS elective, too. I wrote an RSA engine in Java this summer, so I can give you a weak summary on that, if you're interested. The PGP docs are an interesting read, also. As far as the problem you describe, you have no chance of finding anything without a key. Unless you can isolate the chunks that aren't random, and can convince distributed.net to donate some time to it, you could start trying key sizes, and have an answer in a few thousand years... -bevan "or wait for a quantum computer... Which, of course, are worthless by Star Trek 7's time, and are actually used only as hunks of metal to hurl at other ships, and lamely referred to as 'quantum torpedoes'..." On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Russell Gulman wrote: > I recieved an unusual request a few days ago by someone looking to > de-code some information hidden within digital "snow" (random bits aka > noise). Supposedly it is RSA encryped too (I don't know the key size) . I > found all of this quite humorous, but it's raised my curiosity nonetheless. > Does anybody have any advice or comments about this, or know anyone who > plays/works with encryption? > > Russell > > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Dec 10 18:37:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA06918 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:37:11 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA00404 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:33:49 -0800 Received: from smtp.ucsd.edu (smtp.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.49]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA00400 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:33:47 -0800 Received: from [132.239.215.133] ([132.239.215.133]) by smtp.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA19702 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:33:47 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rgulman@sdcc10.ucsd.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199712092304.PAA17425@rollercoaster.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:25:08 -0800 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org From: Russell Gulman Subject: Fun with Encyption Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 29 I recieved an unusual request a few days ago by someone looking to de-code some information hidden within digital "snow" (random bits aka noise). Supposedly it is RSA encryped too (I don't know the key size) . I found all of this quite humorous, but it's raised my curiosity nonetheless. Does anybody have any advice or comments about this, or know anyone who plays/works with encryption? Russell From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Dec 10 13:06:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA31132 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:06:54 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA01519 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:03:27 -0800 Received: from sdcc10.ucsd.edu (sdcc10.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.10]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA01515 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:03:26 -0800 Received: from localhost (mizhu@localhost) by sdcc10.ucsd.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA18352 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:03:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:03:20 -0800 (PST) From: James Zhu To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Pre-offer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 30 On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Taner Halicioglu wrote: > > I assume this is up north? Anyone interviewed on site with Netscape > > San Diego? > > NS has a San Diego office? hmm.. > Netscape bought Digital Style and converted it to Netscape San Diego. Project: Netscape Communicator 6 :) cheers, -jaz From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Dec 10 11:48:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA28966 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:48:15 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA01163 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:44:54 -0800 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA01159 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:44:53 -0800 Received: from localhost (scarter@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA15860 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:44:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:44:53 -0800 (PST) From: Scott To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Oops... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 31 I re-sent that last message to cs-ucsd. I sent it to the wrong list. Sorry about that. ____________________________________________________________________________ Why are you looking down here? | "Oh my gawd, they killed Kenny! Look at the 'From:' line; that's | Those BASTARDS!!" what headers are for. | -- South Park From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Dec 10 10:34:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA26848 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:34:11 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA00798 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:30:40 -0800 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA00794 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:30:39 -0800 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id KAA25394 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:30:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:30:38 -0800 (PST) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Pre-offer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Organization: GlobalCenter X-Title: Network Engineer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 32 On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, James Zhu wrote: > I assume this is up north? Anyone interviewed on site with Netscape > San Diego? NS has a San Diego office? hmm.. > On Tue, 9 Dec 1997 allan@carhart.com wrote: > > > Well, I just accepted it, so I guess I'll tell you all -- Unless something > > goes seriously wrong, I'm now going to be on the system administration team at > > www.netscape.com. kewl... good bunch of people over there :-) Now I can pester you when NS shifts loads and ftp27 goes from pushing 11Mbps to 40Mbps w/out warning us first :-/ :-) -Taner From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Dec 9 19:20:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA31723 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:20:22 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id TAA07348 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:16:36 -0800 Received: from sdcc10.ucsd.edu (sdcc10.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.10]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA07344 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:16:33 -0800 Received: from localhost (mizhu@localhost) by sdcc10.ucsd.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id TAA05721 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:03:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:03:55 -0800 (PST) From: James Zhu To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Pre-offer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 33 I assume this is up north? Anyone interviewed on site with Netscape San Diego? -jaz On Tue, 9 Dec 1997 allan@carhart.com wrote: > Well, I guess I found out! > Basically what it is, is an offer without all the legal crap. They're > not done checking my references, so they reserve the right to withdraw > the offer if they discover I'm really an ax-murderer. > Well, I just accepted it, so I guess I'll tell you all -- Unless something > goes seriously wrong, I'm now going to be on the system administration team at > www.netscape.com. > > Woo Hoo! > > --Allan > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Dec 9 15:18:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA25092 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:18:14 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA06020 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:14:47 -0800 Received: from carhart.com (carhart.com [206.14.125.169]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA06016 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:14:45 -0800 From: allan@carhart.com Received: from localhost (allan@localhost) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with SMTP id PAA24989 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:14:16 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:14:16 -0800 (PST) To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Pre-offer In-Reply-To: <199712092304.PAA17425@rollercoaster.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 34 Well, I guess I found out! Basically what it is, is an offer without all the legal crap. They're not done checking my references, so they reserve the right to withdraw the offer if they discover I'm really an ax-murderer. Well, I just accepted it, so I guess I'll tell you all -- Unless something goes seriously wrong, I'm now going to be on the system administration team at www.netscape.com. Woo Hoo! --Allan From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Dec 9 15:10:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA24877 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:10:31 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA05964 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:07:10 -0800 Received: from rollercoaster.com (dt080n2a.san.rr.com [204.210.22.42]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA05957 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:07:08 -0800 Received: from frontseat.san.rr.com (dt080n12.san.rr.com [204.210.22.18]) by rollercoaster.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA17425 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:04:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199712092304.PAA17425@rollercoaster.com> X-Sender: jim@rollercoaster.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Release Candidate 3 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 15:07:05 -0800 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org From: Jim Serio Subject: Re: Pre-offer In-Reply-To: <199712091941.LAA17353@reza.cisco.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 35 At 11:41 AM 12/9/97 , you wrote: >how much they are willing to pay you if they end up offering you a job. >Reza I imagine that is what the pre-offer is. Sounds to me like an ordinary offer, but this guy tried to be creative and made up a term called "pre-offer". Jim -- Jim Serio jim@rollercoaster.com (PGP Key ID: 0xE5E9F23E) World of Coasters - http://www.rollercoaster.com The Web's Premier Coaster Site! From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Dec 9 14:08:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from dragonlair.dal.net (root@dragonlair.dal.net [132.249.66.211]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA23316 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:08:44 -0800 Received: from delivery.dal.net (delivery.dal.net [208.1.222.224]) by dragonlair.dal.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06352 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:47:18 -0800 Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by delivery.dal.net (8.8.5/DALnet) with ESMTP id LAA17954 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:45:55 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-From: owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org X-Envelope-To: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA04013 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:38:50 -0800 Received: from beasley.cisco.com (mailgate-sj-2.cisco.com [171.69.2.135]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA04009 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:38:49 -0800 Received: from proxy2.cisco.com (proxy2.cisco.com [192.31.7.89]) by beasley.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id LAA23723 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:38:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by proxy2.cisco.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA09410 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:38:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from reza.cisco.com(171.68.205.111) by proxy2.cisco.com via smap (V2.0) id xma009376; Tue, 9 Dec 97 19:38:35 GMT Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17353 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:41:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712091941.LAA17353@reza.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Pre-offer In-reply-to: allan's message of Tue, 09 Dec 1997 10:42:47 -0800. X-Password: foobar X-Protest: Say no to bad beer. X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-url: http://www.reza.net/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 11:41:32 -0800 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 36 how much they are willing to pay you if they end up offering you a job. Reza > > Does anybody know what a pre-offer is, in the context of employment, > job offer, etc.? > I got the following in email from a company I'm considering: > > > I will hopefully be able to get a hold of your references soon. > > I hope to have a pre-offer for you in a coupld of days. > > It's been driving me crazy, trying to figure out what a pre-offer is. > > --Allan > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Dec 9 10:47:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA18445 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:47:06 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA03737 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:43:23 -0800 Received: from carhart.com (carhart.com [206.14.125.169]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA03733 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:43:19 -0800 From: allan@carhart.com Received: from localhost (allan@localhost) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA18310 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:42:47 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:42:47 -0800 (PST) To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Pre-offer Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 37 Does anybody know what a pre-offer is, in the context of employment, job offer, etc.? I got the following in email from a company I'm considering: > I will hopefully be able to get a hold of your references soon. > I hope to have a pre-offer for you in a coupld of days. It's been driving me crazy, trying to figure out what a pre-offer is. --Allan From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Dec 8 21:22:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA30586 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:22:28 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id VAA00434 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:19:02 -0800 Received: from rollercoaster.com (dt080n2a.san.rr.com [204.210.22.42]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA00430 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:19:01 -0800 Received: from frontseat.san.rr.com (dt080n12.san.rr.com [204.210.22.18]) by rollercoaster.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA11162 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:16:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199712090516.VAA11162@rollercoaster.com> X-Sender: jim@rollercoaster.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Release Candidate 3 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:18:59 -0800 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org From: Jim Serio Subject: 12 days before christmas Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 38 Enjoy! TWELVE DAYS OF CHRISTMAS ======================================================== December 14, 1972 My dearest darling John: Who ever in the whole world would dream of getting a real Partridge in a Pear Tree? How can I ever express my pleasure. Thank you a hundred times for thinking of me this way. My love always, Agnes ======================================================== December 15, 1972 Dearest John: Today the postman brought your very sweet gift. Just imagine two turtle doves. I'm just delighted at your very thoughtful gift. They are just adorable. All my love, Agnes ========================================================= December 16, 1972 Dear John: Oh! Aren't you the extravagant one. Now I must protest. I don't deserve such generosity, three French hens. They are just darling but I must insist, you've been too kind. All my love, Agnes ========================================================= December 17, 1972 Dear John: Today the postman delivered four calling birds. Now really, they are beautiful, but don't you think enough is enough. You are being too romantic. Affectionately, Agnes ========================================================== December 18, 1972 Dearest John: What a surprise. Today the postman delivered five golden rings, one for every finger. You're just impossible, but I love it. Frankly, all those birds squawking were beginning to get on my nerves. All my love, Agnes ======================================================== December 19, 1972 Dear John: When I opened the door today there were actually six geese laying on my front steps. So you're back to the birds again huh? These geese are huge. Where will I ever keep them? The neighbors are complaining and I can't sleep through the racket. Please stop. Cordially, Agnes ======================================================== December 20, 1972 John: What's with you and those freaking birds?? Seven swans a swimming. What kind of damn joke is this? There's bird poop all over the house and they never stop the racket. I can't sleep at night and I'm a nervous wreck. It's not funny. So stop those freaking birds. Sincerely, Agnes ========================================================= December 21, 1972 O.K. Buster: I think I prefer the birds. What the hell am I going to do with 8 maids a milking? It's not enough with all those birds and 8 maids a milking, but they had to bring their damn cows. There is manure all over the lawn and I can't move in my own house. Just lay off me, smartass. Agnes ========================================================= December 22, 1972 Hey Shithead: What are you? Some kind of sadist? Now there's nine pipers playing. And Christ do they play. They've never stopped chasing those maids since they got here yesterday morning. The cows are getting upset and they're stepping all over those screeching birds. What am I going to do? The neighbors have started a petition to evict me. You'll get yours ! Agnes ========================================================== December 23, 1972 You rotten prick: Now there's ten ladies dancing. I don't know why I call those sluts ladies. They've been balling those pipers all night long. Now the cows can't sleep and they've got diarrhea. My living room is a river of shit. The Commissioner of Buildings has subpoenaed me to give cause why the building shouldn't be condemned. I'm calling the police on you ! Agnes ========================================================= December 24, 1972 Listen Fuckhead: What's with those eleven lords a leaping on those maid and ladies? Some of those broads will never walk again. Those pipers ran through the maids and have been committing sodomy with the cows. All twenty-three of the birds are dead. They've been trampled to death in the orgy. I hope you're satisfied, you rotten vicious swine. Your sworn enemy, Agnes ========================================================= December 25, 1972 Dear Sir: This is to acknowledge your latest gift of twelve fiddlers fiddling which you have seen fit to inflict on our client, Miss Agnes McHolstein. The destruction, of course, was total. All correspondence should come to our attention. If you should attempt to reach Miss McHolstein at Happy Dale Sanitarium, the attendants have been instructed to shoot you on sight. With this letter please find attached a warrant for your arrest. Cordially, Law Offices of Badger, Bender and Chole -- Jim Serio jim@rollercoaster.com (PGP Key ID: 0xE5E9F23E) World of Coasters - http://www.rollercoaster.com The Web's Premier Coaster Site! From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Dec 8 14:08:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA17926 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:08:51 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA00423 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:05:02 -0800 Received: from mailgate-rtp-1.cisco.com (mailgate-rtp-1.cisco.com [171.69.160.46]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA00419 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:05:00 -0800 Received: from proxy2.cisco.com (proxy2.cisco.com [192.31.7.89]) by mailgate-rtp-1.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id RAA08405 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by proxy2.cisco.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA10440 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:04:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from reza.cisco.com(171.68.205.111) by proxy2.cisco.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010436; Mon, 8 Dec 97 22:04:49 GMT Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10351 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:07:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712082207.OAA10351@reza.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: U2 on Showtime In-reply-to: rkleeman's message of Sun, 07 Dec 1997 11:28:11 -0800. X-Password: foobar X-Protest: Say no to bad beer. X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-url: http://www.reza.net/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 14:07:46 -0800 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 39 I caught the last 2 songs. it was cool and all, he finished with one and dead man walking Reza From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Sun Dec 7 12:03:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA09319 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:02:59 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA24760 for talk-ucsd-out; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:59:26 -0800 Received: (from atilghma@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA24755 for talk-ucsd; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:59:26 -0800 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA24529 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:28:11 -0800 Received: from localhost (rkleeman@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA22543 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:28:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:28:11 -0800 (PST) From: Bobby Kleemann To: Talk List Subject: U2 on Showtime Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 40 I sent out a message about this yesterday but I still havent seen it posted, so here it goes again: Does anyone here subscribe to Showtime? They are supposed to show the U2 concert tonight (Sunday) at 10 PM. I was hoping someone could record it for me. A BIG thanks in advance to anyone that can help me. Laters, _ _ _ Bobby Kleemann http://sdcc17.ucsd.edu/~rkleeman/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Sat Dec 6 15:07:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA08690 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 15:07:44 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA19038 for talk-ucsd-out; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 15:03:52 -0800 Received: from carhart.com (carhart.com [206.14.125.169]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA19034 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 15:03:49 -0800 From: allan@carhart.com Received: from localhost (allan@localhost) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with SMTP id PAA08590 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 15:03:45 -0800 Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 15:03:45 -0800 (PST) To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Error: Sense of Humor not found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 41 I guess my computer just doesn't have a sense of humor. Actually, this is probably a BSD/SysV difference. Maybe even Linux-isms. --Allan rm meese-ethics rm: meese-ethics: No such file or directory ar m God ar: God: No such file or directory make love make: *** No rule to make target `love'. Stop. [Where is Jimmy Hoffa? [Where: No match. sleep with me sleep: invalid time interval `with' ^What is saccharine? Modifier failed. mkdir matter;cat>matter matter: Is a directory. The original responses: > rm meese-ethics > rm: meese-ethics nonexistent > ar m God > ar: God does not exist > make love > Make: Don't know how to make love. Stop. > [Where is Jimmy Hoffa? > Missing ]. > sleep with me > bad character > ^What is saccharine? > Bad substitute. > mkdir matter; cat > matter > matter: cannot create From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Dec 5 15:15:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA05827 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:15:49 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA12942 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:12:01 -0800 Received: from devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (devastator.extern.ucsd.edu [199.105.3.50]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA12935 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:11:58 -0800 Received: (from chaz@localhost) by devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (8.8.7/8.7.5) id PAA28264 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:12:24 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:12:24 -0800 From: The Chazman Message-Id: <199712052312.PAA28264@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 42 Sven wrote: > > Bah. The best goes something like this: > > unzip ; touch ; finger ; mount ; gasp ; yes ; umount ; sleep > I think we can safely add an invocation of "expand" right before mount. :) -----Carl From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Dec 5 14:28:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA04609 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:28:31 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA12678 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:24:39 -0800 Received: from dragonlair.dal.net (dt061nba.san.rr.com [204.210.36.186]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA12674 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:24:38 -0800 Received: (from dalvenja@localhost) by dragonlair.dal.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA10122 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:24:38 -0800 From: Dalvenjah FoxFire Message-Id: <199712052224.OAA10122@dragonlair.dal.net> Subject: Re: procrastinating To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:24:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Bevan Schroeder" at Dec 5, 97 02:03:27 pm X-URL: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 43 Bevan Schroeder put this into my mailbox: > > Stupid Shell Tricks > http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~bah6f/funnies/unixcmds.html Bah. The best goes something like this: unzip ; touch ; finger ; mount ; gasp ; yes ; umount ; sleep -dalvenjah -- Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) "The weapon which causes the most Founder, the DALnet IRC Network damage to the Internet is the keyboard." e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Dec 5 14:07:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA03955 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:07:16 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA12520 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:03:32 -0800 Received: from maxx.foo.net (bschroed.reshall.ucsd.edu [128.54.132.22]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA12516 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:03:32 -0800 Received: (qmail 32243 invoked from network); 5 Dec 1997 14:03:28 -0800 Received: from localhost.ucsd.edu (HELO localhost) (bevan@127.0.0.1) by localhost.ucsd.edu with SMTP; 5 Dec 1997 14:03:28 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:03:27 -0800 (PST) From: Bevan Schroeder X-Sender: bevan@maxx.foo.net To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: procrastinating In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 44 Stupid Shell Tricks http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~bah6f/funnies/unixcmds.html % rm meese-ethics rm: meese-ethics nonexistent % ar m God ar: God does not exist % "How would you rate Reagan's incompetence? Unmatched ". % [Where is Jimmy Hoffa? Missing ]. % ^How did the sex change^ operation go? Modifier failed. % If I had a ( for every $ Congress spent, what would I have? Too many ('s. % make love Make: Don't know how to make love. Stop. % sleep with me bad character % got a light? No match. % man: why did you get a divorce? man:: Too many arguments. % ^What is saccharine? Bad substitute. % %blow %blow: No such job. % \(- (-: Command not found. % sh $ PATH=pretending! /usr/ucb/which sense no sense in pretending! $ drink < bottle; opener bottle: cannot open opener: not found $ mkdir matter; cat > matter matter: cannot create From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Dec 5 14:03:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA03850 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:03:39 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA12454 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:59:48 -0800 Received: from sdcc10.ucsd.edu (sdcc10.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.10]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA12450 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:59:47 -0800 Received: from localhost (bdegenha@localhost) by sdcc10.ucsd.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA11666 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:59:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:59:47 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Degenhardt To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: procrastinating Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 45 In a flailing attempt to avoid studying, a few neighboring computer dorks and I began playing with unix-commands that had english connotations. As you can guess, most of these connotations were sexual. So in an additional attempt to avoid the books, I am composing this e-mail in the hopes that maybe I can destract fellow class mates and effectively lower the curve. One of the best commands we could come up with was: > which finger or > whereis mount finger Any additions? From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Dec 5 11:50:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA00822 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:50:06 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA11634 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:07:43 -0800 Received: from rollercoaster.com (dt080n2a.san.rr.com [204.210.22.42]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA11630 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:07:42 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by rollercoaster.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14638 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:04:57 -0800 From: Jim Serio Message-Id: <199712051904.LAA14638@rollercoaster.com> Subject: Computer Support Questionnaire (TOO GOOD NOT TO PASS ON) (fwd) To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:04:57 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 46 Not sure if anyon has seen this one... > I thought you might enjoy this. > > > > >Computer Problem Report Form > >------------------------------ > > > > > >1. Describe your problem: > >___________________________________________________________________________ > _________________________________________ > >2. Now, describe the problem accurately: > >___________________________________________________________________________ > _________________________________________ > >3. Speculate wildly about the cause of the problem: > >___________________________________________________________________________ > _________________________________________ > >4. Problem Severity: > > A. ____ Minor > > B. ____ Minor > > C. ____ Minor > > D. ____ Trivial > > > >5. Nature of the problem: > > A. ____ Locked Up > > B. ____ Frozen > > C. ____ Hung > > D. ____ Strange Smell > > > >6. Is your computer plugged in? Yes ____ No ____ > > > >7. Is it turned on? Yes ____ No ____ > > > >8. Have you tried to fix it yourself? Yes ____ No ____ > > > >9. Have you made it worse? Yes ____ > > > >10. Have you had "a friend" who "Knows all about computers" try to fix > >it for you? Yes ____ No ____ > > > >11. Did they make it even worse? Yes ____ > > > >12. Have you read the manual? Yes ____ No ____ > > > >13. Are you sure you've read the manual? Maybe ____ No ____ > > > >14. Are you absolutely certain you've read the manual? No ____ > > > >15. If you read the manual, did you understand it? Yes ____ No ____ > > > >16. If 'Yes' then explain why you can't fix the problem yourself. > >_________________________________________________________ > >__________________________________________________________ > > > >17. What were you doing with your computer at the time the problem > > occurred? > >__________________________________________________________ > >__________________________________________________________ > > > >l8. If you answered 'nothing' then explain why you were logged in? > >__________________________________________________________ > >__________________________________________________________ > > > >l9. Are you sure you aren't imagining the problem? Yes ____ No ____ > > > >20. Does the clock on your home VCR blink 12:00? > > Yes ____ What's a VCR? ____ > > > >21. Do you have a copy of 'PCs for Dummies'? Yes ____ No ____ > > > >22. Do you have any independent witnesses to the problem? > > Yes ____ No____ > > > >23. Do you have any electronics products that DO work? > > Yes ____ No ____ > > > >24. Is there anyone else you could blame this problem on? > > Yes ____ No____ > > > >25. Have you given the machine a good whack on the top? > > Yes ____ No ____ > > > >26. Is the machine on fire? Yes ____ Not Yet ____ > > > >27. Can you do something else instead of bothering me? Yes ____ > > > > > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Dec 5 09:43:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA22951 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:43:23 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id JAA11039 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:39:52 -0800 Received: from pry.com (pry.com [204.62.130.100]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA11035 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:39:51 -0800 Received: (qmail 8090 invoked by uid 501); 5 Dec 1997 17:43:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 18:43:10 +0100 From: Dan Haskovec To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Spam buster... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 47 Most don't because it means they have to generate a unique header for every outgoing messages. It's a lot simpler to have a fixed message. One way spammers work is by hijacking somebody's smtp server and sending messages with 1000 RCPT TO: lines. Or, equivalently, by, putting 1000 addresses on the Bcc: list. That way, the hijacked relay has to do most of the work. Unfortunately, most smtp servers out there will still relay from everyone by default. All you need is a throw-away dialup account, some addresses, and you can easily send a few hundred messages, each with a big Bcc: list, over a 28.8 line in under an hour. On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Brian Degenhardt wrote: > On Fri, 5 Dec 1997 allan@carhart.com wrote: > > > What do you all think? > > >From my experience, a lot of spam sets the from line to your own address, > so you get something like this: > > To: user@host > From: user@host > > Has anyone else noticed this? > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Dec 5 09:20:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA22374 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:20:31 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id JAA10910 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:16:25 -0800 Received: from sdcc10.ucsd.edu (sdcc10.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.10]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA10906 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:16:24 -0800 Received: from localhost (bdegenha@localhost) by sdcc10.ucsd.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id JAA18499 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:16:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:16:24 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Degenhardt To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Spam buster... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 48 On Fri, 5 Dec 1997 allan@carhart.com wrote: > What do you all think? >From my experience, a lot of spam sets the from line to your own address, so you get something like this: To: user@host From: user@host Has anyone else noticed this? From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Dec 5 08:01:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id IAA20163 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:01:51 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id HAA10534 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 07:58:20 -0800 Received: from mailbox1.ucsd.edu (mailbox.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA10530 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 07:58:20 -0800 Received: from coast.ucsd.edu (coast.ucsd.edu [132.239.117.5]) by mailbox1.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA25802 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 07:58:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by coast.ucsd.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA22805; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 07:58:18 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 07:58:18 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis Fetterly To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Spam buster... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 49 Allan, You should take a look at "The Spam Bouncer" at http://www.best.com/~ariel/nospam/ for a sample of procmail filters to get rid of spam. I've been using them for a couple of months and they seem to work very well. -Dennis From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Dec 5 03:18:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA13057 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 03:18:54 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id DAA09411 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 03:15:29 -0800 Received: from mail.ucsd.edu (ucsd.ucsd.edu [132.239.254.201]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id DAA09407 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 03:15:28 -0800 Received: from [204.210.36.9] (dt061n09.san.rr.com [204.210.36.9]) by mail.ucsd.edu; id DAA23119 sendmail 8.8.5/UCSD8.3 via ESMTP Fri, 5 Dec 1997 03:15:23 -0800 ( PST) for X-Sender: rgulman@sdcc10.ucsd.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 03:15:07 -0800 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org From: Russell Gulman Subject: Re: Spam buster... Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 50 >I have been thinking about what inventive rules I could put in my >.procmailrc file, to filter out spam. > >Why just filter out addresses that have been a problem? >What not try filtering based on content? > >I began to wonder if there might be certain patterns that are common >in spam email, and uncommon elsewhere... >I have been saving spam into a folder for a while, and these are the >four text patterns I came up with: > >!! >bulk >obligation > >And the reasons: > >- Spam email tends to have lots of exclamation marks in their sentences > >- Spam email will often have html tags. Every tag would have a >tag -- And >- The word "bulk" often appears, referring to bulk email > >- The phrase "no obligation" is common > > >I re-emailed 100 messages from my mail spool, and 100 messages from >my spam folder, to see how procmail would react. >I know this is a bit unscientific, but the results were interesting. > >About 2/3rds of the spam email messages were filtered out, while >about 8% of my regular inbox messages were filtered. > >I'm dumping the offending messages into a folder, not /dev/null. >What do you all think? > >--Allan

It sounds great, Allan!!!

. You could organize a bulk effort to the list to finally find out how to filter out that pesky spammers once and for all; which may help alleviate society from the inevitable obligation of shutting them and their new partnering ISP's down the ugly way. Sounds fool proof.... Russ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Dec 5 02:47:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id CAA12270 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:47:10 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id CAA09266 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:43:25 -0800 Received: from carhart.com (carhart.com [206.14.125.169]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id CAA09262 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:43:22 -0800 From: allan@carhart.com Received: from localhost (allan@localhost) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with SMTP id CAA12017 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:43:04 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:43:03 -0800 (PST) To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Spam buster... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 51 I have been thinking about what inventive rules I could put in my .procmailrc file, to filter out spam. Why just filter out addresses that have been a problem? What not try filtering based on content? I began to wonder if there might be certain patterns that are common in spam email, and uncommon elsewhere... I have been saving spam into a folder for a while, and these are the four text patterns I came up with: !! tag would have a tag -- And Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA14789 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:33:25 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id AAA22185 for talk-ucsd-out; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:29:36 -0800 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA22181 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:29:34 -0800 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id AAA10239 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:29:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:29:34 -0800 (PST) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: whoa In-Reply-To: <199711230409.UAA19968@dragonlair.dal.net> Message-ID: X-Organization: GlobalCenter X-Title: Network Engineer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 52 WARNING: Excessive traceroutes follow!@ ;-) On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, Dalvenjah FoxFire wrote: > traceroute to www.ncsa.uiuc.edu (141.142.3.131), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets > 1 acs-bridge2 (132.239.50.124) 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms > 2 muir-gw-52-209 (132.239.52.209) 53 ms 10 ms 6 ms > 3 bigmama (132.239.254.205) 16 ms 12 ms 5 ms > 4 cs-f-vbns.sdsc.edu (198.17.46.43) 55 ms 7 ms 6 ms > 5 * cs-atm0-0-2.ncsa.vbns.net (204.147.129.70) 72 ms 68 ms > 6 charlie-atm0-5.ncsa.uiuc.edu (141.142.11.2) 73 ms 69 ms 68 ms > 7 marcie-atm0-1.ncsa.uiuc.edu (141.142.11.5) 74 ms 68 ms 72 ms > 8 lucy.ncsa.uiuc.edu (141.142.1.228) 78 ms 73 ms 76 ms > 9 chico.ncsa.uiuc.edu (141.142.3.131) 76 ms 70 ms 70 ms Whoa... just for shits'n'giggles I tried tracing to UIUC: traceroute to www.ncsa.uiuc.edu (141.142.3.131), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 fddi4-1.cr2.SNV.globalcenter.net (206.251.8.33) 1 ms 1 ms 0 ms 2 fe1-0.br3.SNV.globalcenter.net (206.251.7.37) 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 3 hssi2-0.br1.PAO.globalcenter.net (206.251.5.126) 2 ms 2 ms 3 ms 4 sjc3-core1-f0-0.atlas.digex.net (198.32.176.17) 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 5 sjc1-core2-h5-0.atlas.digex.net (165.117.50.121) 4 ms 5 ms 5 ms 6 sjc1-core1-f3-0.atlas.digex.net (165.117.50.145) 5 ms 6 ms 5 ms 7 oma1-core1-h8-0.atlas.digex.net (165.117.50.17) 49 ms 50 ms 50 ms 8 ord1-core1-h8-0.atlas.digex.net (165.117.50.13) 65 ms 65 ms 69 ms 9 dgx-fddi0-0.chicago.iagnet.net (131.103.1.45) 162 ms 95 ms 105 ms 10 dgf-atm8-0.chicago.iagnet.net (131.103.1.129) 65 ms 65 ms 65 ms 11 uit3-hssi2-0.champaign.iagnet.net (131.103.24.26) 68 ms 68 ms 69 ms 12 charlie.ncsa.uiuc.edu (192.17.1.224) 68 ms 69 ms 68 ms 13 marcie-atm0-1.ncsa.uiuc.edu (141.142.11.5) 69 ms 68 ms 69 ms 14 lucy.ncsa.uiuc.edu (141.142.1.228) 73 ms 73 ms 73 ms 15 chico.ncsa.uiuc.edu (141.142.3.131) 69 ms 69 ms 69 ms DIGEX' network always gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside... (not!) hmm... from the east coast it's worse!@# traceroute to www.ncsa.uiuc.edu (141.142.3.30), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 fe0-0.cr1.IAD.globalcenter.net (204.152.166.65) 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 2 pos3-0.br1.DCA.globalcenter.net (204.152.166.5) 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 3 mae-east.digex.net (192.41.177.115) 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 4 dca1-core2-h1-0.atlas.digex.net (165.117.50.90) 4 ms 4 ms 3 ms 5 pit1-core1-h0-0.atlas.digex.net (165.117.50.93) 11 ms 9 ms 9 ms 6 cvg1-core1-h0-0.atlas.digex.net (165.117.50.1) 16 ms 15 ms 15 ms 7 dtw1-core2-h4-0-0.atlas.digex.net (165.117.50.6) 25 ms 25 ms 25 ms 8 dtw1-core1-fa4-0-0.atlas.digex.net (165.117.52.94) 25 ms 25 ms 26 ms 9 ord1-core2-h4-0-0.atlas.digex.net (165.117.50.10) 32 ms 31 ms 31 ms 10 ord1-core1-fe3-0-0.atlas.digex.net (165.117.52.73) 33 ms 32 ms 32 ms 11 dgx-fddi0-0.chicago.iagnet.net (131.103.1.45) 32 ms 34 ms 33 ms 12 dgf-atm8-0.chicago.iagnet.net (131.103.1.129) 31 ms 30 ms 30 ms 13 uit3-hssi2-0.champaign.iagnet.net (131.103.24.26) 33 ms 34 ms 35 ms 14 charlie.ncsa.uiuc.edu (192.17.1.224) 32 ms 34 ms 33 ms 15 141.142.11.133 (141.142.11.133) 33 ms 35 ms 35 ms 16 lucy.ncsa.uiuc.edu (141.142.1.228) 39 ms 39 ms 39 ms 17 abbott.ncsa.uiuc.edu (141.142.3.30) 39 ms 34 ms 33 ms oh, goddamn... normal UIUC goes via NAP.NET (aiiiieeeeeeeee) (Sunnyvale) traceroute to spider.cso.uiuc.edu (128.174.5.27), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 fddi4-1.cr2.SNV.globalcenter.net (206.251.8.33) 1 ms 1 ms 3 ms 2 pos6-0.cr1.NUQ.globalcenter.net (206.251.0.29) 2 ms 2 ms 1 ms 3 fe4-0.cr3.NUQ.globalcenter.net (206.251.1.3) 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 4 pos1-0.br4.SJC.globalcenter.net (206.251.0.38) 2 ms 3 ms 3 ms 5 mae-west.nap.net (198.32.136.13) 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 6 core0-a0-11.chi1.nap.net (207.112.247.146) 114 ms 108 ms 107 ms 7 chi1-ds3.uiuc.edu (207.227.0.218) 110 ms 112 ms 115 ms 8 spider.cso.uiuc.edu (128.174.5.27) 118 ms * 113 ms (DC) traceroute to spider.cso.uiuc.edu (128.174.5.27), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 fe0-0.cr1.IAD.globalcenter.net (204.152.166.65) 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 2 pos3-0.br1.DCA.globalcenter.net (204.152.166.5) 2 ms 2 ms 4 ms 3 mae-east.inap.net (192.41.177.155) 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 4 core0-a0-12.chi1.nap.net (207.112.247.142) 30 ms 25 ms 30 ms 5 chi1-ds3.uiuc.edu (207.227.0.218) 33 ms 34 ms 36 ms 6 spider.cso.uiuc.edu (128.174.5.27) 34 ms * 37 ms NAP.NET makes me ill... -Taner From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Sat Nov 22 20:14:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA04563 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:14:19 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id UAA21034 for talk-ucsd-out; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:09:59 -0800 Received: from dragonlair.dal.net (dt061nba.san.rr.com [204.210.36.186]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA21030 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:09:58 -0800 Received: (from dalvenja@localhost) by dragonlair.dal.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA19968 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:09:51 -0800 From: Dalvenjah FoxFire Message-Id: <199711230409.UAA19968@dragonlair.dal.net> Subject: Re: whoa To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:09:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199711210807.AAA24170@dragonlair.dal.net> from "Dalvenjah FoxFire" at Nov 20, 97 11:26:17 pm X-URL: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 53 Dalvenjah FoxFire put this into my mailbox: > > Interesting that it doesn't actually go through any SDSC routers, though. > Hmm. Wonder if CERF said "Ah to hell with it, if you're going to route > through SDSC, go ahead and have your FDDI back." }:> Hot damn. Not only do we have our FDDI back, but we're also routing through the vBNS: traceroute to www.ncsa.uiuc.edu (141.142.3.131), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 acs-bridge2 (132.239.50.124) 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 2 muir-gw-52-209 (132.239.52.209) 53 ms 10 ms 6 ms 3 bigmama (132.239.254.205) 16 ms 12 ms 5 ms 4 cs-f-vbns.sdsc.edu (198.17.46.43) 55 ms 7 ms 6 ms 5 * cs-atm0-0-2.ncsa.vbns.net (204.147.129.70) 72 ms 68 ms 6 charlie-atm0-5.ncsa.uiuc.edu (141.142.11.2) 73 ms 69 ms 68 ms 7 marcie-atm0-1.ncsa.uiuc.edu (141.142.11.5) 74 ms 68 ms 72 ms 8 lucy.ncsa.uiuc.edu (141.142.1.228) 78 ms 73 ms 76 ms 9 chico.ncsa.uiuc.edu (141.142.3.131) 76 ms 70 ms 70 ms The new FDDI connection sits on the DMZ, so basically anything SDSC peers with (that will allow UCSD), UCSD also peers with. I think this includes ESnet, and possibly a couple of other neato connections. The world is once again a better place for all mankind (or at least the UCSD version of it.) -dalvenjah -- Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) I bet living in a nudist colony takes Founder, the DALnet IRC Network all the fun out of Halloween. e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Nov 21 00:13:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt061n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA21459 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:13:10 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id AAA08942 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:07:46 -0800 Received: from dragonlair.dal.net (dt061nba.san.rr.com [204.210.36.186]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA08938 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:07:45 -0800 Received: (from dalvenja@localhost) by dragonlair.dal.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA24170 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:07:45 -0800 From: Dalvenjah FoxFire Message-Id: <199711210807.AAA24170@dragonlair.dal.net> Subject: Re: whoa To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:26:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Taner Halicioglu" at Nov 19, 97 11:38:57 pm X-URL: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 54 Taner Halicioglu put this into my mailbox: > > Did it finally happen? :-) UCSD via SDSC? Looks like it }:>. No wonder things haven't been sucking lately. traceroute to ns1.dal.net (208.1.222.221), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 acs-bridge2 (132.239.50.124) 7 ms 8 ms 4 ms 2 muir-gw-52-209 (132.239.52.209) 10 ms 10 ms 6 ms 3 bigmama (132.239.254.205) 9 ms 10 ms 10 ms 4 sdscdmz-fddi.cerf.net (198.17.46.153) 11 ms 10 ms 5 ms 5 atm1-0-155M.svnode.sd.cerf.net (134.24.32.6) 16 ms 7 ms 7 ms 6 atm5-0-1.maew.sf.cerf.net (134.24.29.34) 27 ms 25 ms 22 ms 7 198.32.136.11 (198.32.136.11) 33 ms 22 ms 22 ms 8 sl-bb2-stk-0-0-T3.sprintlink.net (144.228.10.109) 29 ms 26 ms 27 ms 9 sl-gw8-stk-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.228.40.14) 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms 10 sl-webma-1-0-T1.sprintlink.net (144.228.144.162) 52 ms 34 ms 35 ms 11 ns1.dal.net (208.1.222.221) 36 ms * 37 ms Interesting that it doesn't actually go through any SDSC routers, though. Hmm. Wonder if CERF said "Ah to hell with it, if you're going to route through SDSC, go ahead and have your FDDI back." }:> -dalvenjah -- Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) "Command new weapons like dragons, Founder, the DALnet IRC Network griffins, and eleven [sic] archers." -MacMall WarCraft II ad e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Nov 19 23:40:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n28.san.rr.com [204.210.36.40]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA15959 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:40:41 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id XAA00713 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:38:59 -0800 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA00709 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:38:58 -0800 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id XAA18131 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:38:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:38:57 -0800 (PST) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: UCSD Talk Subject: whoa Message-ID: X-Organization: GlobalCenter X-Title: Network Engineer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 55 Did it finally happen? :-) UCSD via SDSC? traceroute to ieng9.ucsd.edu (132.239.50.9), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 eth0-5.riptide.sd.cerf.net (192.215.245.1) 3 ms 4 ms 2 ms 2 fddi2-1-0.moby.sd.cerf.net (134.24.252.3) 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 3 bigmama.sdsc.edu (198.17.46.205) 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 4 muir-gw-fddi.ucsd.edu (132.239.254.238) 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 5 alantec-gw-52-210.ucsd.edu (132.239.52.210) 3 ms 2 ms 3 ms 6 ieng9.ucsd.edu (132.239.50.9) 4 ms * 4 ms and traceroute to ieng9.ucsd.edu (132.239.50.9), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 fddi4-1.cr2.SNV.globalcenter.net (206.251.8.33) 1 ms 0 ms 0 ms 2 fe1-0.br3.SNV.globalcenter.net (206.251.7.37) 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 3 hssi2-0.br1.PAO.globalcenter.net (206.251.5.126) 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 4 fasteth2-0.paix.sf.cerf.net (134.24.23.1) 4 ms 4 ms 6 ms 5 atm0-0-155M.sfnode.sf.cerf.net (134.24.29.21) 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms 6 atm10-0-155M.mums.la.cerf.net (134.24.32.17) 14 ms 15 ms 14 ms 7 fe0-0-0.flwr.la.cerf.net (134.24.41.225) 13 ms 14 ms 13 ms 8 pos1-0-0-155M.fins.sd.cerf.net (134.24.29.73) 20 ms 18 ms 20 ms 9 fe0-0-0.svnode.sd.cerf.net (134.24.38.225) 19 ms 19 ms 20 ms 10 atm8-0-155M.moby.sd.cerf.net (134.24.32.5) 21 ms 28 ms 21 ms 11 bigmama.sdsc.edu (198.17.46.205) 20 ms 23 ms 22 ms 12 muir-gw-fddi.ucsd.edu (132.239.254.238) 23 ms 20 ms 20 ms 13 alantec-gw-52-210.ucsd.edu (132.239.52.210) 24 ms 20 ms 20 ms 14 ieng9.ucsd.edu (132.239.50.9) 22 ms * 23 ms Cool beans! -Taner From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Nov 17 12:18:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA19903 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:18:06 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA06083 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:25:30 -0800 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA06079 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:25:29 -0800 Received: from localhost (rkleeman@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA12877; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:25:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:25:29 -0800 (PST) From: Bobby Kleemann To: Talk List Subject: Holiday Cash Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 56 If anyone is looking for a little extra holiday cash, talk to me. The compnay I am working for is looking for a few extra hands to help with packing and shipping for the holiday season. _ _ _ Bobby Kleemann http://sdcc17.ucsd.edu/~rkleeman/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Nov 17 10:59:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA17566 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:59:03 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA05545 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:06:17 -0800 Received: from gemini.adnc.com (gemini.adnc.com [205.216.138.22]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA05541 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:06:11 -0800 Received: from wheeljack (adnline25045.adnc.com [206.251.250.45]) by gemini.adnc.com (8.8.5/8.8.6/ADN8.8.6.2) with SMTP id KAA23099 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:06:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971117100701.0092b7f0@mail.adnc.com> X-Sender: chazz@mail.adnc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:07:01 -0800 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org From: Carl Miller Subject: FW: Microsoft style car security?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 57 I assume they used the "Lock Wizard" to cut down on development time.... ------Carl >-----Original Message----- >From: Krasnow, Greg [SMTP:gak@hnc.com] >Subject: Microsoft style car security?? > >Wednesday November 12 1:47 PM EST > >Security defect found in Sportage > >TUCSON, Ariz., Nov. 12 (UPI) _ A television station says (Wednesday) >it's uncovered a defect in the 1997 Kia Sportage sport-utility vehicle >that allows it to be unlocked with just a tap in the right place. >According to the report by KOLD-TV in Tucson, touching the car correctly >will unlock all doors and disengage the alarm system. > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Nov 14 11:49:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA16015 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:49:54 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA16359 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:45:25 -0800 Received: from bonzo.org (bonzo.znet.com [207.167.66.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA16355 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:45:03 -0800 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.8.7/8.6.9) id LAA26274; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:44:05 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:44:03 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Chevy Impala Rocket sham! (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 58 On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, David Rees wrote: > I'd volunteer, except that I don't have a Chevy Impala and we don't have > any JATO's left in Aus - It was real close but I'll have to let someone > else do it before me ... Heheheheheheeeeee I had a Chevy Impala and quiet honestly I don't know if a jet engine would add anymore power then the car already had. I mean that car just flew. Acceleration up steep hills was a breeze. I don't think I will ever find another with as much raw power as that one. :) Mark ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD You couldn't get a clue during the marka@bonzo.org clue mating season in a field full http://www.bonzo.org/~marka of horny clues if you smeared your Pager:619-785-1053 body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.-Edward Flaherty From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Nov 14 09:42:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA12828 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:42:39 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id JAA15671 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:38:21 -0800 Received: from devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (devastator.extern.ucsd.edu [199.105.3.50]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA15667 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:38:19 -0800 Received: (from chaz@localhost) by devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (8.8.7/8.7.5) id JAA10324 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:39:51 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:39:51 -0800 From: The Chazman Message-Id: <199711141739.JAA10324@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Official Darwin Site Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 59 That's a damn funny site. What I find most amusing about the real '96 winner is he likely had just enough time to think to himself "Fuck. That was really stupid. I'm probably going to get a Darwin Award for this." before smearing the pavement. But the one I almost fell on the floor while reading was this (my vote for most humor value packed into a single line): "A car was pulled over in Florida when police noticed it was being driven by an iguana." CNN verifies this one: http://www.cnn.com/US/9706/13/driving.iguana/ -----Carl From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Nov 14 08:16:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id IAA10622 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:16:02 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id IAA15179 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:11:34 -0800 Received: from dt6h3n26.san.rr.com (dt6h3n26.san.rr.com [204.210.37.38]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA15175 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:11:32 -0800 Received: (qmail 4330 invoked by uid 509); 14 Nov 1997 16:11:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:11:32 -0800 (PST) From: David Rees To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Chevy Impala Rocket sham! (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 60 Here's an interesting tidbit I thought you all might like to know... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bill Sherwood Subject: Chevy Impala Rocket sham! Hiya All, Some very dissapointing news - You no doubt all remember the story of the V-8 astronaut that was supposed to have strapped a small rocket to the back of his Chevy Impala and then lit it and had a short but very rapid flight until crashing into a cliff? Well, unfortunately it's just a clever story that someone has made up. :( Check out- http://www.officialdarwinawards.com/ - And you'll read the bad news. So I guess that means that there is still a chance for someone to be first to do it! Not just the rocket-in-the-back-of-the-car thing; That's been done a few times. But put a real JATO unit in the back of their car and light it up. I'd volunteer, except that I don't have a Chevy Impala and we don't have any JATO's left in Aus - It was real close but I'll have to let someone else do it before me ... Heheheheheheeeeee Lookim yu, Bill S. ICQ - 1752558 -~^~-~^~-~^~-~^~-~^~-~^~-~^~-~^~-~^~-~^~-~^~-~^~- - Check out my as-yet crude home page thing at - http://www.onthenet.com.au/~billzila/Welcome.htm "Another pothole in the Information Superhighway" Dum volvo, video disco From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Nov 13 10:01:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA01323 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:01:50 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id JAA08154 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:58:50 -0800 Received: from pry.com (pry.com [204.62.130.100]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA08150 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:58:49 -0800 Received: (qmail 27959 invoked by uid 501); 13 Nov 1997 18:01:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:01:14 +0100 From: Dan Haskovec To: Talk-UCSD Subject: Re: Absolutely Amazing. (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 61 A variant of the 'weather balloons' story is supposedly true, at least I've seen AP and LA Times cites for it. Do a web search to confirm. On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Philipp Teschner wrote: > Both the "jet engines to his car" and the "weather balloons to his chair" > stories have been around far longer than 1996, and 1997. They are pure > good old urban myth. > > Phil > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Nov 13 09:48:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA00969 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:48:11 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id JAA08050 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:45:04 -0800 Received: from ns1.ad1440.net (ad1440.net [207.159.143.5]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA08046 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:45:00 -0800 Received: from localhost (philt@localhost) by ns1.ad1440.net (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id JAA25279 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:50:15 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:50:15 -0800 (PST) From: Philipp Teschner To: Talk-UCSD Subject: Re: Absolutely Amazing. (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 62 Both the "jet engines to his car" and the "weather balloons to his chair" stories have been around far longer than 1996, and 1997. They are pure good old urban myth. Phil From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Nov 13 00:50:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA19993 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:50:37 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id AAA05258 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:46:40 -0800 Received: from devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (devastator.extern.ucsd.edu [199.105.3.50]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA05254 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:46:29 -0800 Received: (from chaz@localhost) by devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (8.8.7/8.7.5) id AAA09802; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:48:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:48:07 -0800 From: The Chazman Message-Id: <199711130848.AAA09802@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: More fun: chainsaws Cc: jalesi@ucsd.edu, m1last@ucsd.edu, mlast@ucsd.edu Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 63 This talk of the Darwin Awards got me grepping through my funny archives. "chainsaw" turned up these two gems: --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Tree trimmer's death ruled suicide by chainsaw Date: Wed, 11 Aug 93 12:50:39 PDT Location: california Lines: 17 TRUCKEE, Calif. (UPI) -- Northern California authorities said Wednesday a tree trimmer found dead in June killed himself with his own chainsaw -- the first such incident in the United States. The Nevada County Sheriff's Department said an extensive investigation completed this week by the state Department of Justice found Richard Possehl, 27, of Truckee took his own life June 27 by nearly severing his head with the power saw. Deputies said it was the first recorded suicide-by-chainsaw in the nation, and only the second in the world. The other incident was reported in Russia. Authorities originally investigated the death as a homicide after Possehl's body and his chainsaw were found next to his truck near a cemetery. But a state investigation found no other fingerprints on the equipment, and a reenactment with a mannequin found it was indeed possible to commit suicide with a chainsaw. Officials said they have yet to find a motive. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now that it's been ruled possible, how about completely intentional.... (Reuters) Some men will got to extraordinary lengths to prove how macho they are. Witness Frenchman Pierre Pumpille, of Lyon, who recently shunted a stationary car two feet by headbutting it. "Women thought I was a god," he explained from his hospital bed. Deity or not, however, Pumpille is a veritable girl's blouse compared to Polish farmer Krystof Azninski, who staked a strong claim to being Europe's most macho man by cutting off his own head. Azninski, 30, had been drinking with friends when it was suggested they strip naked and play some "men's games". Initially they hit each other over the head with frozen swedes, but then one man seized a chainsaw and cut off the end of his foot. Not to be outdone, Azninski grabbed the saw and crying "Watch this then!" swung at his own head and chopped it off. "It's funny," said one companion, "Cos when he was young he put on his sister's underwear. But he died like a man." ------Carl [Um, frozen swedes???] From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Nov 12 23:04:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA17204 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:04:21 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id WAA04552 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:59:43 -0800 Received: from devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (devastator.extern.ucsd.edu [199.105.3.50]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA04548 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:59:31 -0800 Received: (from chaz@localhost) by devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (8.8.7/8.7.5) id XAA09724; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:01:02 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:01:02 -0800 From: The Chazman Message-Id: <199711130701.XAA09724@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Absolutely Amazing. (fwd) Cc: jalesi@ucsd.edu, m1last@ucsd.edu, mlast@ucsd.edu Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 64 > > On a similar note, is there any proof that these things really happened? > I mean, as far as the coke machine story -- I am sure it has happened > many dozens of times. Most coke machines even warn you of this nowadays. > But why in '1995' did this qualify someone for a Darwin Award? > I dare say the neither the first nor the last death from soda machine > was in '95. The others sound like Urban Legend to me. > Supposedly the '95 coke machine winner was one of the first documented cases. But you're right; this is all urban legend, and difficult to verify at best. Still, it's a very amusing idea, and these are fun stories. Here are two more that deserve honorable mention in their respective years: -----Carl -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Acme Insurance Company RE: Insurance Claim To Whom it may concern, I am writing in response to your request for additional information in block #3 of the Accident Reporting Form. I put "poor planning" as the cause of my accident. You said in your letter that I should explain more fully and I trust that the following details will be sufficient. I am a bricklayer by trade. On the day of the accident, I was working on the roof of a new six-story building. When I completed my work, I disc- overed that I had about 500 pounds of bricks left over. Rather than carry the bricks down by hand, I decided to lower them in a barrel by using a pulley, which, unfortunately, was attached to the side of the building, at the sixth floor. Securing the rope at ground level, I went up to the roof, swung the barrel out and loaded the bricks into it. Then I went to the ground and untied the rope, holding it tight to ensure a slow descent of the 500 pounds of brick. You will note in block #11 of the Accident Reporting Form that my weight is 125 pounds. Due to my suprise at being jerked off the ground so suddenly, I lost my presense of mind and forgot to let go of the rope. Needless to say, I proceeded at a rather rapid rate up the side of the building. In the vicinity of the third floor, I met the barrel which was now proceeding in a downward direction at an equally impressive rate of speed. This explains the fractured skull, minor abrasions and the broken collarbone, as listed in Section III of the Accident Reporting Form. Slowed only slightly, I continued my rapid assent, not stopping until the fingers of my right hand were two knuckles deep into the pulley which I mentioned in paragraph #2 of this correspondence. Fortunately, by this time, I had regained my presence of mind and was able to hold tightly to the rope, in spite of the excruciating pain I was now beginning to experience. At approximately the same time, however, the barrel of bricks hit the ground -- and the botom fell out of the barrel. Now devoid of the weight of the bricks, the barrel now weighed approximately 50 pounds. I refer you again to my weight in block #11. As you might imagine, I began a rapid descent down the side of the building. In the vicinity of the third floor, I met the barrel coming up. This accounts for the two fractured ankles, broken tooth, and the severe lacerations of my legs and lower body. Here my luck began to change slightly. The encounter with the barrel seemed to slow me enough to lessen my injuries when I fell on the pile of bricks, and fortunately, only three vertebrae were cracked. I am sorry to report, however, that as I lay there on the pile of bricks, in pain, unable to move and watching the empty barrel six stories above me, I again lost my composure and presense of mind and let go of the rope..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1994's MOST BIZARRE SUICIDE At the 1994 annual awards dinner given by the American Association for Forensic Science, AAFS president Don Harper Mills astounded his audience in San Diego with the legal complications of a bizarre death. Here is the story: On 23 March 1994, the medical examiner viewed the body of Ronald Opus and concluded that he died from a shotgun wound to the head. The decedent had jumped from the top of a ten-story building intending to commit suicide (he left a note indicating his despondency). As he fell past the ninth floor, his life was interrupted by a shotgun blast through a window, which killed him instantly. Neither the shooter nor the decedent was aware that a safety net had been erected at the eighth floor level to protect some window washers and that Opus would not have been able to complete his suicide anyway because of this. Ordinarily, Dr. Mills continued, a person who sets out to commit suicide ultimately succeeds, even though the mechanism might not be what he intended. That Opus was shot on the way to certain death nine stories below probably would not have changed his mode of death from suicide to homicide, but the fact that his suicidal intent would not have been successful caused the medical examiner to feel that he had a homicide on his hands. The room on the ninth floor whence the shotgun blast emanated was occupied by and elderly man and his wife. They were arguing and he was threatening her with the shotgun. He was so upset that, when he pulled the trigger, he completely missed his wife and pellets went through the window striking Opus. When one intends to kill subject A but kills subject B in the attempt, one is guilty of the murder of subject B. When confronted with this charge, the old man and his wife were both adamant that neither knew that the shotgun was loaded. The old man said it was his long standing habit to threaten his wife with the unloaded shotgun. He had no intention to murder her - therefore, the killing of Opus appeared to be an accident. That is, the gun had been accidentally loaded. The continuing investigation turned up a witness who saw the old couple's son loading the shotgun approximately six weeks prior to the fatal incident. It transpired that the old lady had cut off her son's financial support and the son, knowing the propensity of his father to use the shotgun threateningly, loaded the gun with the expectation that his father would shoot his mother. The case now becomes one of murder on the part of the son for the death of Ronald Opus. There was one more exquisite twist. Further investigation revealed that the son, one Ronald Opus, had become increasingly despondent over the failure of his attempt to engineer his mother's murder. This led him to jump off the ten- story building on 23 March, only to be killed by a shotgun blast through a ninth story window. The medical examiner closed the case as a suicide. From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Nov 12 20:29:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA13151 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:29:05 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id UAA03716 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:28:14 -0800 Received: from carhart.com (carhart.com [206.14.125.169]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA03712 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:28:03 -0800 From: allan@carhart.com Received: from localhost (allan@localhost) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with SMTP id UAA13076 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:26:46 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:26:46 -0800 (PST) To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Absolutely Amazing. (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199711130333.TAA09653@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 65 > his genes be evaporated from the pool, but his ability to teach younger > generations his stupid ways must also be permanently removed. Death ought > to be sufficient for that. Death is good. Death fix everything. :-) Okay, good point...But I still think that the Darmin award requires only a removal of genes from the gene pool -- As I read this, I kept waiting for the part about him loosing some important organ -- Since his ability to reproduce stayed attached, he can't possibly qualify. On the other hand, I heard of some guy who worked in a metal shop and (after hours) tried using some sort of automatic sander to masturbate with -- After doing quite a bit of damage to himself, he didn't want to go to the hospital. He tried closing the wounds he had caused himself by stapling them shut -- causing more damage. What idiot would try putting a staple through that part of his body? shudder. This sounds apocryphal, but most of them do. I was discussing this with my coworkers at Taos a few weeks ago -- this guy would definitely qualify for the Darwin awards. On a similar note, is there any proof that these things really happened? I mean, as far as the coke machine story -- I am sure it has happened many dozens of times. Most coke machines even warn you of this nowadays. But why in '1995' did this qualify someone for a Darwin Award? I dare say the neither the first nor the last death from soda machine was in '95. The others sound like Urban Legend to me. --Allan From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Nov 12 19:32:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA11679 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:32:14 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id TAA03377 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:32:09 -0800 Received: from devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (devastator.extern.ucsd.edu [199.105.3.50]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA03373 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:32:03 -0800 Received: (from chaz@localhost) by devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (8.8.7/8.7.5) id TAA09653 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:33:41 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:33:41 -0800 From: The Chazman Message-Id: <199711130333.TAA09653@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Absolutely Amazing. (fwd) Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 66 As I first heard the award worded, it was for a bizarre death borne of pure stupidity. Death was actually a stipulation. > That doesn't make sense. If you're stuffed in jail for life, you can > still breed with anyone dumb enough to have a conjugal visit with you. > > The whole point of a Darwin award is to recognize someone for > *removing* their genes from the gene pool - permanently. Natural > selection and all that. Exactly. I suppose a bizarre emasculation borne of pure stupidity would serve the purpose, but I still remember death being specifically called for. Makes sense, too. As humans, we're much less subject to natural selection than the animals are. Part of the reason is that most of what we operate on in everyday life is learned, given to us by parents and teachers, not instinct already there when we're born. Thus, to permanently remove the influence of one supremely stupid individual from eternity, not only must his genes be evaporated from the pool, but his ability to teach younger generations his stupid ways must also be permanently removed. Death ought to be sufficient for that. Death is good. Death fix everything. :-) ------Carl From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Nov 12 18:03:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA09401 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:03:05 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA02848 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:03:03 -0800 Received: from dragonlair.dal.net (dragonlair.dal.net [132.249.66.211]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA02844 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:03:02 -0800 Received: (from dalvenja@localhost) by dragonlair.dal.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03420 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:03:00 -0800 From: Dalvenjah FoxFire Message-Id: <199711130203.SAA03420@dragonlair.dal.net> Subject: Re: Absolutely Amazing. (fwd) To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:03:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Brian Degenhardt" at Nov 12, 97 04:51:10 pm X-URL: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 67 Brian Degenhardt put this into my mailbox: > > On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, Dalvenjah FoxFire wrote: > > > I don't think so. }:> You can't win a Darwin award unless you kill yourself > > or render yourself sterile. Nice try, but Larry's disqualified for > > surviving with his reproductive organs intact. > > You can win if you are incarcerated for life, though. Although, I don't > think that the sentence for violating LAX airspace is a lifer. That doesn't make sense. If you're stuffed in jail for life, you can still breed with anyone dumb enough to have a conjugal visit with you. The whole point of a Darwin award is to recognize someone for *removing* their genes from the gene pool - permanently. Natural selection and all that. -dalvenjah -- Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) "Sir, your wit ambles well; Founder, the DALnet IRC Network it goes easily." e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Nov 12 16:52:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA07591 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:52:27 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA02378 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:51:13 -0800 Received: from sdcc10.ucsd.edu (sdcc10.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.10]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA02374 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:51:12 -0800 Received: from localhost (bdegenha@localhost) by sdcc10.ucsd.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA29255 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:51:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:51:10 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Degenhardt To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Absolutely Amazing. (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199711130008.QAA31547@dragonlair.dal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 68 On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, Dalvenjah FoxFire wrote: > I don't think so. }:> You can't win a Darwin award unless you kill yourself > or render yourself sterile. Nice try, but Larry's disqualified for > surviving with his reproductive organs intact. You can win if you are incarcerated for life, though. Although, I don't think that the sentence for violating LAX airspace is a lifer. From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Nov 12 16:08:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA06456 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:08:50 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA02096 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:08:43 -0800 Received: from dragonlair.dal.net (dragonlair.dal.net [132.249.66.211]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA02092 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:08:42 -0800 Received: (from dalvenja@localhost) by dragonlair.dal.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA31547 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:08:42 -0800 From: Dalvenjah FoxFire Message-Id: <199711130008.QAA31547@dragonlair.dal.net> Subject: Re: Absolutely Amazing. (fwd) To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:08:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Mark Ayzenshteyn" at Nov 12, 97 03:21:38 pm X-URL: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 69 Mark Ayzenshteyn put this into my mailbox: > DARWIN AWARD WINNER FOR 1997 ANNOUNCED > You all know about the Darwin Awards - It's an annual honor given to the > person who did the gene pool the biggest service by killing themselves in > the most extraordinarily stupid way. [...] > airspace. As he was led away in handcuffs, a reporter dispatched to cover > the daring rescue asked why he had done it. Larry stopped, turned and > replied > nonchalantly, "A man can't just sit around." > > Let's hear it for Larry Waters, the 1997 > Darwin Award Winner. I don't think so. }:> You can't win a Darwin award unless you kill yourself or render yourself sterile. Nice try, but Larry's disqualified for surviving with his reproductive organs intact. -dalvenjah -- Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) "And I would've gotten away with it, if Founder, the DALnet IRC Network it hadn't been for you meddling kids!" e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Nov 12 15:28:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA05358 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:27:56 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA01683 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:26:46 -0800 Received: from bonzo.org (bonzo.znet.com [207.167.66.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA01679 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:26:35 -0800 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.8.7/8.6.9) id PAA17316; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:21:38 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:21:38 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: "Friends_With_E_mail(Not on ucsd lists)" , eelee@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU, fusion@connectnet.com, jelwell@ucsd.edu, luke@uclink4.berkeley.edu, mnhuynh@elcapitan.ucsd.edu, mp8@stern.nyu.edu, sasherma@ucla.edu, svora@sdcc6.UCSD.EDU, tkocher@sdcc13.ucsd.edu, trsnow@ucdavis.edu cc: Talk-UCSD Subject: Absolutely Amazing. (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 70 ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD You couldn't get a clue during the marka@bonzo.org clue mating season in a field full http://www.bonzo.org/~marka of horny clues if you smeared your Pager:619-785-1053 body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.-Edward Flaherty ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:50:58 -0600 From: Vegetable Man To: Gretchen , "Badgeholders..." Subject: Absolutely Amazing. DARWIN AWARD WINNER FOR 1997 ANNOUNCED You all know about the Darwin Awards - It's an annual honor given to the person who did the gene pool the biggest service by killing themselves in the most extraordinarily stupid way. The 1995 winner was the fellow who was killed by a Coke machine which toppled over on top of him as he was attempting to tip a free soda out of it. In 1996 the winner was an air force sergeant who attached a jet engine (JATO) unit to his car and crashed into a cliff several hundred feet above the road. And now, the 1997 winner: Larry Waters of Los Angeles-one of the few Darwin winners to survive his award-winning accomplishment. Larry's boyhood dream was to fly. When he graduated from high school, he joined the Air Force in hopes of becoming a pilot. Unfortunately, poor eyesight disqualified him. When he was finally discharged, he had to satisfy himself with watching jets fly over his backyard. One day, Larry, had a bright idea. He decided to fly. He went to the local Army-Navy surplus store and purchased 45 weather balloons and several tanks of helium. The weather balloons, when fully inflated, would measure more than four hundred feet across. Back home, Larry securely strapped the balloons to his sturdy lawn chair. He anchored the chair to the bumper of his jeep and inflated the balloons with the helium. He climbed on for a test while it was still only a few feet above the ground. Satisfied it would work, Larry packed several sandwiches and a six-pack of Miller Lite, loaded his pellet gun-figuring he could pop a few balloons when it was time to descend-and went back to the floating lawn chair. He tied himself in along with his pellet gun and provisions. Larry's plan was to lazily float up to a height of about 30 feet above his back yard after severing the anchor and in a few hours come back down. Things didn't quite work out that way. When he cut the cord anchoring the lawn chair to his jeep, he didn't float lazily up to 30 or so feet. Instead he streaked into the LA sky as if shot from a cannon. He didn't level off at 30 feet, nor did he level off at 100 feet. After climbing and climbing, he leveled off at 11,000 feet. At that height he couldn't risk shooting any of the balloons, lest he unbalance the load and really find himself in trouble. So he stayed there, drifting, cold and frightened, for more than 14 hours. Then he really got in trouble. He found himself drifting into the primary approach corridor of Los Angeles International Airport. A United pilot first spotted Larry. He radioed the tower and described passing a guy in a lawn chair with a gun. Radar confirmed the existence of an object floating 11,000 feet above the airport. LAX emergency procedures swung into full alert and a helicopter was dispatched to investigate. LAX is right on the ocean. Night was falling and the offshore breeze began to flow. It carried Larry out to sea with the helicopter in hot pursuit. Several miles out, the helicopter caught up with Larry. Once the crew determined that Larry was not dangerous, they attempted to close in for a rescue, but the draft from the blades would push Larry away whenever they neared. Finally, the helicopter ascended to a position several hundred feet above Larry and lowered a rescue line. Larry snagged the line and was hauled back to shore The difficult maneuver was flawlessly executed by the helicopter crew. As soon as Larry was hauled to earth, he was arrested by waiting members of the LAPD for violating LAX airspace. As he was led away in handcuffs, a reporter dispatched to cover the daring rescue asked why he had done it. Larry stopped, turned and replied nonchalantly, "A man can't just sit around." Let's hear it for Larry Waters, the 1997 Darwin Award Winner. From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Nov 11 10:46:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA23094 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:46:56 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA24802 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:46:39 -0800 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA24798 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:46:38 -0800 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id KAA09647 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:46:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:46:37 -0800 (PST) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: UCSD Talk Subject: UCSD's net connection Message-ID: X-Organization: GlobalCenter X-Title: Network Engineer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 71 Take a peek at: http://www.vbns.net/new_connect/newconn.htm And notice that (sans the spelling error) UCSD will be on the vBNS via the LA POP, via an OC-12 (which, I'm guessing, will feed SDSC and maybe other stuff as well)... starting 11/97? :-) Anyone have infoz on this? -Taner From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Oct 31 18:12:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA12208 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:12:13 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA13499 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:10:49 -0800 Received: from bonzo.org (bonzo.znet.com [207.167.66.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA13495 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:10:42 -0800 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.8.7/8.6.9) id SAA32419; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:07:49 -0800 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:07:49 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: : Cows and world governments (fwd)]] (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 72 RUSSIAN COMMUNISM: You have 2 cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk. DICTATORSHIP: You have 2 cows. The government takes both and shoots you. SINGAPOREAN DEMOCRACY: You have 2 cows. The government fines you for illegally keeping 2 unlicensed farm animals in an apartment. PURE DEMOCRACY: You have 2 cows. Your neighbors decide who gets the milk. REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY: You have 2 cows. Your neighbors pick someone through a vote to tell you who gets the milk. AMERICAN DEMOCRACY: The government promises to give you 2 cows if you vote for it. After the election, the president is impeached for speculating in cow futures. The press dubs the affair "Cowgate". BRITISH DEMOCRACY: You have 2 cows. You feed them sheep's brains and they go mad. The government doesn't do anything. BUREAUCRACY: You have 2 cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. After that it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows. CAPITALISM: You have 2 cows. You sell one and buy a bull which you use to breed the other cow as well as every other cow in the area. Then you start exporting sperm from the bull to emerging markets. After several years of expansion, your company issues an IPO to be listed on the NYSE. The SEC eventually intends legal proceedings against you and your spouse for insider trading. After a lengthy court battle, you are found guilty and sentenced to 10 years in prison, of which you actually serve 7 weeks. When you come out of prison, you buy 2 chickens. Then,.... HONG KONG CAPITALISM: You have 2 cows. You sell 3 of them to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank, then execute a debt/equity swap with an associated general offer so that you get all 4 cows back, with a tax deduction for keeping 5 cows. The milk rights of 6 cows are transferred via a Panamanian intermediary to a Cayman Islands company secretly owned by the majority shareholder, who sells the rights to all 7 cows' milk back to the listed company and proceeds from the sale are deferred. The annual report says that the company owns 8 cows, with an option on one more. Meanwhile, you kill the 2 cows because the feng shui is bad. ENVIRONMENTALISM: You have 2 cows. The government bans you from milking or killing them. FEMINISM: You have 2 cows. They get married and adopt a veal calf. TOTALITARIANISM: Your have 2 cows. The government takes them and denies they ever existed. Milk is banned. POLITICAL CORRECTNESS: You are associated with (the concept of "ownership" is a symbol of the phallo-centric, war-mongerism, intolerant past) 2 differently aged (but no less valuable to society) bovines of unpecified gender. COUNTER CULTURE: Wow, dude, there's like ... these 2 cows, man. You got to have some of this milk! SURREALISM: You have 2 giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons. LIBERTY: Whatever. ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD You couldn't get a clue during the marka@bonzo.org clue mating season in a field full http://www.bonzo.org/~marka of horny clues if you smeared your Pager:619-785-1053 body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.-Edward Flaherty From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Oct 31 18:06:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA12040 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:06:27 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA13428 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:04:47 -0800 Received: from bonzo.org (bonzo.znet.com [207.167.66.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA13424 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:04:40 -0800 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.8.7/8.6.9) id SAA32378; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:01:36 -0800 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:01:36 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: bumper stickers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 73 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bumper Stickers ---------- * Horn broken. Watch for finger. * Your kid may be an honors student, but you're still an idiot. * All generalizations are false. * Cover me. I'm changing lanes. * I brake for no apparent reason. * Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control. * I'm not as think as you drunk I am. * Forget about World Peace...Visualize using your turn signal. * We have enough youth, how about a fountain of Smart? * He who laughs last thinks slowest. * Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. * It IS as bad as you think, and they ARE out to get you. * Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine. * Time is what keeps everything from happening at once. * I love cats...they taste just like chicken. * Out of my mind. Back in five minutes. * Forget the Joneses, I keep us up with the Simpsons. * Born free...Taxed to death. * The more people I meet, the more I like my dog. * Laugh alone and the world thinks you're an idiot. * Rehab is for quitters. * I get enough exercise just pushing my luck. * Sometimes I wake up grumpy; Other times I let him sleep. * All men are idiots, and I married their King. * Jack Kevorkian for White House Physician. * Work is for people who don't know how to fish. * Montana-At least our cows are sane! * I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian. * Women who seek to be equal to men lack ambition. * If you don't like the news, go out and make some. * When you do a good deed, get a receipt-in case heaven is like the IRS.. * Sorry, I don't date outside my species. * No radio - Already stolen. * Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle drugs. * Real women don't have hot flashes, they have power surges. * I took an IQ test and the results were negative. * Where there's a will, I want to be in it. * OK, who stopped payment on my reality check' * Few women admit their age; Fewer men act it. * I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. * Hard work has a future payoff. Laziness pays off NOW. * Tell me to 'stuff it' - I'm a taxidermist. * IRS: We've got what it takes to take what you've got. * Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students. * It's lonely at the top, but you eat better. * According to my calculations, the problem doesn't exist. * Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill. * Pride is what we have. Vanity is what others have. * A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory. * Reality? Is that where the pizza delivery guy comes from? * How can I miss you if you won't go away? * Warning: Dates in Calendar are closer than they appear. * Give me ambiguity or give me something else. * We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse. * Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. * Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. * Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies. * Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes. * Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy. * Consciousness: That annoying time between naps. * i souport publik edekashun. * Be nice to your kids. They'll choose your nursing home. * Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder... * There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count & those who can't. * Why is 'abbreviation' such a long word' * Ever stop to think and forget to start again? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD You couldn't get a clue during the marka@bonzo.org clue mating season in a field full http://www.bonzo.org/~marka of horny clues if you smeared your Pager:619-785-1053 body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.-Edward Flaherty From chaz@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu Thu Oct 30 21:58:33 1997 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:03:42 -0800 From: The Chazman Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org To: aerial-robotics@ucsd.edu, talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: PLans for Halloween Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 74 Reprinted at the request of the author, my roommate: ---- T'was the night of Halloween, and all through the land, Many creatures were stirring, both the good and the bad. All of a sudden the computer gave a ringing clatter, "You have new mail" announced the Sound Blaster. Arriving was an invite to a party about the dead, And they sent it to me, their friend. When looked upon carefully they realized quick, This was no invite, it was a treat for a trick! And quickly they picked up their phones with care, "I'll see you at the party, yes I'll be there." And in hundreds of rings the telephone rang, This party will go off like a gigantic bang. So take heed all you party fans, Make sure to come as quick as you can. _ _ _ Bobby Kleemann http://sdcc17.ucsd.edu/~rkleeman/ ---- Jim suggested: > > > If anyone has no plans for this Friday, a few of us were > > thinking on a trip to TJ. If no one's interested in TJ, then > > other plans can be made. Post here or msg me. > > I also heard of nothing good from any of my grapevines, and TJ just doesn't sound right on Halloween. So my house is throwing a party of its own. Details: WHEN: this Friday night, Halloween, 8PM until some unnamed wee hour WHERE: my place, 4158 Camino Lita, see ASCII map at end of message TERMS: show up in costume, or be instantly relegated to "asshole" (see below) BYOB or make a small donation to the house WHAT: revelry, inebriation, and sophomoric game classics like Quarters, Mexicali, and Asshole. So be there, or be a stick-in-the-mud study-too-much no-fun-at-UCSD square. -----Carl |Regents Road Genessee Avenue| | | Costa Verde Shopping Center | | | | +=======================+================================================+ | Nobel Drive | | | | | | | | | | | | Cargill Avenue| | | Decoro Street +------------------------------------- | | | | | | Camino Ticino +---+------------------------+ | | | | | OO OO OX OO OO OO OO | | +------------------------+ | | Camino Lita | | | | |Camino Huerta Third house on the left : 4158 Camino Lita From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 29 17:08:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA30549 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:08:24 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA31201 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:07:37 -0800 Received: from sdcc13.ucsd.edu (sdcc13.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.13]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA31196 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:07:36 -0800 Received: (from smiroshn@localhost) by sdcc13.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA06050 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:07:35 -0800 (PST) From: Stan Miroshnik Message-Id: <199710300107.RAA06050@sdcc13.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: PLans for Halloween To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:07:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199710292309.PAA01648@rollercoaster.com> from Jim Serio at "Oct 29, 97 03:09:25 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL16 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 75 Hmm, Sounds interesting... Post some details. > If anyone has no plans for this Friday, a few of us were > thinking on a trip to TJ. If no one's interested in TJ, then > other plans can be made. Post here or msg me. > > Jim > -- > jim@rollercoaster.com > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 29 15:14:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA25342 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:14:08 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA30477 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:13:12 -0800 Received: from rollercoaster.com (dt8h5n8c.san.rr.com [204.210.26.140]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA30473 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:13:11 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by rollercoaster.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA01648 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:09:25 -0800 From: Jim Serio Message-Id: <199710292309.PAA01648@rollercoaster.com> Subject: PLans for Halloween To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:09:25 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 76 If anyone has no plans for this Friday, a few of us were thinking on a trip to TJ. If no one's interested in TJ, then other plans can be made. Post here or msg me. Jim -- jim@rollercoaster.com From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Oct 28 14:56:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA18990 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:56:08 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA22725 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:53:48 -0800 Received: from carhart.com (carhart.com [206.14.125.169]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA22721 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:53:45 -0800 From: allan@carhart.com Received: from localhost (allan@localhost) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with SMTP id OAA18912 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:53:34 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:53:34 -0800 (PST) To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: UCSD webmaster job... Yeah, right! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971027215205.03dc4764@rollercoaster.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 77 > >The UCSD Guardian is looking for an online editor (webmaster) to place the > >newspaper online twice a week. I saw that ad, and I just knew the volcano was about to burst... :-) Seriously, though, I'm probably one of the few people who knows much about this situation and I have to say Jim's right. I certainly hope none of you apply for that job. Jim didn't (and you won't either) get the respect, responsibility, power, or pay that job warrants. So why exactly does the new webmaster need to know HTML or Unix? More like Claris Software for the Mac... Anyone who knows what they're doing will go crazy in that job. --Allan From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Oct 27 21:54:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA10035 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:54:11 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id VAA17330 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:52:08 -0800 Received: from rollercoaster.com (dt8h5n8c.san.rr.com [204.210.26.140]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA17326 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:52:05 -0800 Received: from jim-serio.san.rr.com (dt8h5n0f.san.rr.com [204.210.26.15]) by rollercoaster.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA19986 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:48:26 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971027215205.03dc4764@rollercoaster.com> X-Sender: jim@rollercoaster.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:52:05 -0800 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org From: Jim Serio Subject: UCSD webmaster job... Yeah, right! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 78 >The UCSD Guardian is looking for an online editor (webmaster) to place the >newspaper online twice a week. DON'T, I repeat DON'T work for this paper. I have nothing against the paper itself or some of the staff but the incoming fuck in charge this year is nothing but a power-hungry weasel who will stab you in the back if he disagrees with your opinions or ideas. The job paid me $55 a week which was hardly worth it, especially with the tedious chore of converting that shit twice a week. The only good part of it was creating a design I (and the rest of the staff, or so I thought) was happy with. Now with this new fuck in charge, you will be doing nothing more than data entry, since he wants total control over the web site. No less than 3 times last year did he hold over my head the fact that he got me the job and if necessary, he could take it away. Which, under the proper circumstances he did. >We need a highly qualified person with knowledge of UNIX, HTML, Photoshop >and QuarkXPress. Mac proficiency preferred. The applicant must be >comfortable with working late Sunday and Wednesday nights. Highly qualified for $55/week?!? Good luck! Comfortable about working *late* Sunday and Wednesday nights? How about *early* Monday and Thursday mornings. The beginning of last year was great, I would get in at midnight and finish the paper in an hour. During the end of the year, they were slacking big time and I didn't get out till 3-4AM. It's just not worth the stress. >Please send your qualifications, as well as the URL(s) of any sites you >have worked on, to Ryan Olson at news@ucsd.edu. We expect to fill the >position by the middle of November, so get your applications in now. Yeah, right. Like I said, don't work for this paper. Those who want to know my story, feel free to e-mail me and I'll fill you in on the politics of this paper, which comes down to one thing...power. A fucking loser that gets off by controlling others. I wouldn't take that job again even for double the pay! This fucker had the balls to tell *the* webmaster at UCSD (former webmaster) that I was fired for missing issues during the end of the quarter. I think not. Thank God I started putting who did what issue each week, I have proof I did my share of the work up until I found out I would not come back next year. Then I bailed ship. If anyone here knows how important references are, then you know this fuck tried to sandbag me for any future web jobs on campus. He just couldn't say I was no longer the webmaster. No, he had to go one step further and lie about me. Say I'm incompetent. I swear if I ever see this weasel in my path I'll squash him! You fuck! >Ryan Olson, >Interim Webmaster Yeah, keep pointin' and clickin' Ryan. (View Source) Am I bitter I was not asked back? Hell yes, but let me say a few things. One, I'm happy I'm not working there, not just because this years staff is a bunch of ass holes but because the hours were hell and they had absolutely no appreciation for the work that was done. The fact is, they wanted to re-design the site this year to better co-exist and match the printed edition, so they conspired to boot me. Look at the current Interim webmasters and you'll know who I speak of. While I'll be the first to say the new design is pretty good, it's lacking in a big way. They have no clue how to handle a large site with redundant data. Links on the menu work fine on the most recent issues but go back a few and you'll see they are broken. I'd never put up a page that was half-assed like that. Their layout is inconsistent among the various sections of the paper. Look at the title graphics and headers for each section of the paper and you'll see what I mean. Do I care if he or anyone at the Guardian sees this? Hell no! It feels good to get this out and he knows that everything I said here is true. This guys will get what he deserves one of these days, hopefully it's during his remaining years at UCSD so I can see it! Jim "I'm calm now!" -- Jim Serio jim@rollercoaster.com (PGP Key ID: 0xE5E9F23E) World of Coasters - http://www.rollercoaster.com The Web's Premier Coaster Site! From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Sat Oct 25 03:29:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA04287 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 03:29:49 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id DAA29545 for talk-ucsd-out; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 03:28:40 -0700 Received: from maxx.foo.net (bschroeder1.reshall.ucsd.edu [128.54.132.22]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id DAA29541 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 03:28:39 -0700 Received: (qmail 4795 invoked from network); 25 Oct 1997 03:29:11 -0700 Received: from localhost.ucsd.edu (HELO localhost) (bevan@127.0.0.1) by localhost.ucsd.edu with SMTP; 25 Oct 1997 03:29:11 -0700 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 03:29:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Bevan Schroeder X-Sender: bevan@maxx.foo.net To: talk list cc: Jeff Johnson Subject: Microsoft Press Release (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 79 Microsoft Addresses Justice Department Accusations REDMOND, Wash.--Oct. 21, 1997--In direct response to accusations made by the Department of Justice, the Microsoft Corp. announced today that it will be acquiring the federal government of the United States of America for an undisclosed sum. "It's actually a logical extension of our planned growth," said Microsoft chairman Bill Gates. "It really is going to be a positive arrangement for everyone." Microsoft representatives held a briefing in the oval office of the White House with U.S. President Bill Clinton, and assured members of the press that changes will be "minimal." The United States will be managed as a wholly owned division of Microsoft. An initial public offering is planned for July of next year, and the federal government is expected to be profitable by "Q4 1999 at latest," according to Microsoft president Steve Ballmer. In a related announcement, Bill Clinton stated that he had "willingly and enthusiastically" accepted a position as a vice president with Microsoft, and will continue to manage the United States government, reporting directly to Bill Gates. When asked how it felt to give up the mantle of executive authority to Gates, Clinton smiled and referred to it as "a relief." He went on to say that Gates has a "proven track record," and that U.S. citizens should offer Gates their "full support and confidence." Clinton will reportedly be earning several times the $200,000 annually he has earned as U.S. president, in his new role at Microsoft. Gates dismissed a suggestion that the U.S. Capitol be moved to Redmond as "silly," though did say that he would make executive decisions for the U.S. government from his existing office at Microsoft headquarters. Gates went on to say that the House and Senate would "of course" be abolished. "Microsoft isn't a democracy," he observed, "and look how well we're doing. When asked if the rumored attendant acquisition of Canada was proceeding, Gates said, "We don't deny that discussions are taking place. Microsoft representatives closed the conference by stating that United States citizens will be able to expect lower taxes, increases in government services and discounts on all Microsoft products. About Microsoft: Founded in 1975, Microsoft (NASDAQ "MSFT") is the worldwide leader in software for personal computers, and democratic government. The company offers a wide range of products and services for public, business and personal use, each designed with the mission of making it easier and more enjoyable for people to take advantage of the full power of personal computing and free society every day. About the United States: Founded in 1789, the United States of America is the most successful nation in the history of the world, and has been a beacon of democracy and opportunity for over 200 years. Headquartered in Washington, D.C., the United States is a wholly owned subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation. "The United States of America" and "Microsoft" are registered trademarks of Microsoft Corporation. From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 22 17:32:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA09756 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:32:41 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA09084 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:31:03 -0700 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA09080; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:31:01 -0700 Received: from localhost (rkleeman@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA06988; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Kleemann To: UCSD CSE List , Talk List Subject: RC5 key found Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 80 For those that were following and competing http://www.distributed.net/rc5/ _ _ _ Bobby Kleemann http://sdcc17.ucsd.edu/~rkleeman/ From owner-cs-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 22 17:32:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA09752 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:32:38 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA09093 for cs-ucsd-out; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:31:10 -0700 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA09080; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:31:01 -0700 Received: from localhost (rkleeman@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA06988; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Kleemann To: UCSD CSE List , Talk List Subject: RC5 key found Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cs-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cs-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 81 For those that were following and competing http://www.distributed.net/rc5/ _ _ _ Bobby Kleemann http://sdcc17.ucsd.edu/~rkleeman/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Sat Oct 18 15:59:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA26363 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:59:19 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA12405 for talk-ucsd-out; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:58:06 -0700 Received: from carhart.com (carhart.com [206.14.125.169]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA12401 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:58:04 -0700 From: allan@carhart.com Received: from localhost (allan@localhost) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with SMTP id PAA26321 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:58:05 -0700 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:58:05 -0700 (PDT) To: UCSD Talk Subject: Re: Stockton outage (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 82 Hmmm...Now, correctly if I'm wrong but didn't Network Operations have a problem similar to this about a year ago? Rumor has it that there was a power outage over a weekend, last year. And although all the servers and network equipment had a backup generator (or UPS or something), the Air Conditioning didn't. So everything kept chugging along, until something overheated and died. *DOH*! I'm not positive that's what happened, but that's what someone told my boss when I worked at the Cancer Center. I remember the Monday morning when there were networking connectivity problems. --Allan On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Taner Halicioglu wrote: > That's got to be fun... > > -Taner > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:34:23 -0400 (EDT) > From: Outage Poster > To: outage@sprint.net > Subject: Stockton outage > > 10/15/97 0730 EDT > > > We are currently experiencing problems in Stockton because of broken air > conditioning. One router, sl-stk-14, has rebooted several times due to > overheating. Customers connected to sl-stk-14 will be intermittently From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Sat Oct 18 15:51:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA26075 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:51:33 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA27544 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:45:55 -0700 Received: from dragonlair.dal.net (dragonlair.dal.net [132.249.66.211]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA27540 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:45:50 -0700 Received: (from dalvenja@localhost) by dragonlair.dal.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15231 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:45:50 -0700 From: Dalvenjah FoxFire Message-Id: <199710162145.OAA15231@dragonlair.dal.net> Subject: Re: Technical upgrades To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:45:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199710090148.SAA31800@dragonlair.dal.net> from "Dalvenjah FoxFire" at Oct 8, 97 06:48:00 pm X-URL: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 83 Dalvenjah FoxFire put this into my mailbox: > > Check out http://www-acs.ucsd.edu/servers.html - it's not even close to > production yet, but it has some semi-accurate info. As soon as I can > borrow a digital camera, I plan to put pictures up. I've gotten the digital camera, and have put some pictures up. }:> I still need to talk to NetOps about putting up the pictures I took of their stuff (the hundreds of modems and stuff), and I'm missing a few servers that aren't in the computer room, but most of the stuff is there. I still need to work on most of the info... Let me know what you think, too. }:> -dalvenjah -- Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) His warm, strong hands caressed her Founder, the DALnet IRC Network body gently. Just then, Fabio walked by, eating a cheeseburger smeared with margarine. e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Sat Oct 18 15:51:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA26087 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:51:42 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id TAA20232 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:08:12 -0700 Received: from rollercoaster.com (dt8h5n8c.san.rr.com [204.210.26.140]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA20228 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:08:10 -0700 Received: from jim-serio.san.rr.com (dt8h5n87.san.rr.com [204.210.26.135]) by rollercoaster.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA01502 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:05:18 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971015190810.006d5168@rollercoaster.com> X-Sender: jim@rollercoaster.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:08:10 -0700 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org From: Jim Serio Subject: 9.1 Gig IBM Ultra Wide SCSI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 84 For those interested, onsale.com has been selling stockpiles of 9Gig drives. There's a Micropolis Fast SCSI II there for $299, a Fujitsi for $409 and an IBM for $509 (I payed $599 5 days ago so chances are it's gonna get lower). BTW, the specs for the drive on onsale are incorrect. Check the model (2XP) against the info on IBM's site (www.storage.ibm.com) and you'll see it's Ultra Wide SCSI (40MBps). Enjoy! Jim -- Jim Serio jim@rollercoaster.com (PGP Key ID: 0xE5E9F23E) World of Coasters - http://www.rollercoaster.com The Web's Premier Coaster Site! From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Sat Oct 18 15:51:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA26099 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:51:49 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id JAA16474 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:33:31 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA16470 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:33:30 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id JAA17151 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:33:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: UCSD Talk Subject: Stockton outage (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 85 That's got to be fun... -Taner ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:34:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Outage Poster To: outage@sprint.net Subject: Stockton outage 10/15/97 0730 EDT We are currently experiencing problems in Stockton because of broken air conditioning. One router, sl-stk-14, has rebooted several times due to overheating. Customers connected to sl-stk-14 will be intermittently down. No other routers have rebooted, but customers connected to Stockton may be down or have problems from the routers overheating. We have set up fans and are working to get the air conditioner fixed. We will update you when this has been repaired. We apologize for the inconvenience. Sarah sprintlink ISC From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Oct 14 16:30:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA13563 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:30:50 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA10138 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:29:05 -0700 Received: from carhart.com (carhart.com [206.14.125.169]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA10127 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:28:58 -0700 From: allan@carhart.com Received: from localhost (allan@localhost) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with SMTP id QAA13520 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:29:22 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:29:22 -0700 (PDT) To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Taos In-Reply-To: <199710132034.NAA22074@reza.cisco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 86 > I've been working at some lame company here, and they better give me a phat > raise if they want to keep me. Taos mtn. I'm contracted out at cisco Just for the record -- If anyone wants to hear a 2nd opinion about Taos mtn, email me. And about the AOL thing -- this seems odd that they say they've tried three times to put up a web page and the servers keep coming down. I think that a web page would be the best way to publicize it, _IF_ this is factual info. I replied to the @aol.com address offering help in getting out this information, if there is something to actually back it up. --Allan From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Oct 14 16:25:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA13405 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:25:32 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA10075 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:23:48 -0700 Received: from hubbub.cisco.com (mailgate-sj-1.cisco.com [198.92.30.31]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA10071 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:23:47 -0700 Received: from reza.cisco.com (reza.cisco.com [171.68.205.111]) by hubbub.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id QAA27982 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07574 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710142325.QAA07574@reza.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Technical upgrades In-reply-to: allan's message of Tue, 14 Oct 1997 06:41:54 -0700. X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-url: http://www.majornet.com/~reza Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:25:39 -0700 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 87 > > It's been multiple years since I last looked into this, so the memory may > > easily be fuzzy, but I was under the impression that NT pre-allocated a > > page of swap for every page of swappable physical memory (i.e. everything > > non-kernel) whether or not it ever used it. This would imply that swap > > must be at least as large as physical memory. > > So this is significantly different than Unix I presume? > > --Allan > define 'pre-allocate'? with 64M, it takes awhile before linux touches swap. Reza From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Oct 14 16:01:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA12742 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:01:25 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA09784 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:59:32 -0700 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA09780 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:59:30 -0700 Received: from localhost (rkleeman@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA29237 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:29:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Kleemann To: Talk List Subject: AOL Bad (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 88 This is likely just a textual virus rather than factual info. I figured I would pass it around just so AOL can start answering questions. _ _ _ Bobby Kleemann http://sdcc17.ucsd.edu/~rkleeman/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: TNNormnn@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 1997 5:36 PM To: TNNormnn@aol.com Subject: Important--PLEASE READ THIS WAS SENT TO ME BY SOMEONE WHO NEEDS TO REMAIN NAMELESS, BUT SINCE MOST OF YOU WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING MY AUCTIONS A SUCCESS, I OWE IT TO YOU TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU: >From a former AOL employee: I'll try and cut through the crap, and try to get to the point of this letter. I used to work for America Online, and would like to remain anonymous for that reason. I was laid off in early September, but I know exactly why I was laid off, which I will now explain: Since last December, I had been one of the many people assigned to design AOL 4.0 for Windows (AOL 4.0 beta, codenamed Casablanca). In the beginning, I was very proud of this task, until I found out the true cost of it. Things were going fine until about mid-February, when me and 2 of my colleagues started to suspect a problem, an unexplainable 'Privacy Invasion', with the new version. One of them, who is a master programmer, copied the finished portion of the new version (Then 'Build 52'), and took it home, and we spent nearly 2 weeks of sleepless nights examining and debugging the program, flipping it inside-out, and here is what we found. Unlike all previous versions of America Online, version 4.0 puts something in your hard drive called a 'cookie'. (AOL members click here for a definition). However, the cookie we found on Version 4.0 was far more treacherous than the simple internet cookie. How would you like somebody looking at your entire hard drive, snooping through any (yes, any) piece of information on your hard drive. It could also read your password and log in information and store it deep in the program code. Well, all previous versions, whether you like it or not, have done this to a certain extent, but only with files you downloaded. As me and my colleagues discovered, with the new version, anytime you are signed on to AOL, any top aol executive, any aol worker, who has been sworn to secrecy regarding this feature, can go into your hard drive and retrieve any piece of information that they so desire. Billing, download records, e-mail, directories, personal documents, programs, financial information, scanned images, etc ... Better start keeping all those pictures on a floppy disk! This is a totally disgusting violation of our rights, and your right to know as well. Since this is undoubtably 'Top Secret' information that I am revealing, my life at AOL is pretty much over. After discovering this information, we started to inform a few other workers at America Online, so that we could get a large enough crew to stop this from happening to the millions of unfortunate and unsuspecting America Online members. This was in early August. One month later, all three of us were unemployed. We got together, and figured there was something we had to do to let the public know. Unemployed, with one of us going through a divorce (me) and another who is about to undergo treatment for Cancer, our combined financial situation is not currently enough to release any sort or article. We attepted to create a web page on three different servers containing in-depth information on AOL 4.0, but all three were taken down within 2 days. We were running very low on time (4.0 is released early this winter), so we figured our last hope to reveal this madness before it effects the people was starting something similar to a chain letter, this letter you are reading. Please do the following, to help us expose AOL for who they really are, and to help us and yourself recieve personal gratification for taking a stand for our freedom: 1. Forward this letter to as many people as you can (not just friends and family, as many as you can!) 2. Tell people who aren't on America Online in person, especially important people (Private Investigators, Government workers, City Council) 3. If the information about the new version isn't exposed by the time aol is released early this winter, for your own protection, DON'T DOWNLOAD AOL 4.0 UNDER ANY CONDITION !!! Thank you for reading and examining this information. Me and my colleagues hope that you will help us do the right thing in this situation. Enjoy America Online (just kidding!). Regards, A former AOL employee From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Oct 14 15:47:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA12362 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:47:31 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA09594 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:44:38 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA09590 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:44:37 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id JAA27001 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:45:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: UCSD Talk Subject: FW: Geek Theology 101 (humor) (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 89 Dunno if this has floated by yet or not ;-) -Taner ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 9:36 Subject: FW: Geek Theology 101 (humor) (fwd) >>Geek Theology 101 >> >> >>In the beginning, God created the bit. And the bit was a zero. On the first >>day, he toggled the 0 to 1, and the Universe was. (In those days, bootstrap >>loaders were simple, and "active low" signals didn't yet exist.) >> >>On the second day, God's boss wanted a demo, and tried to read the bit. This >>being volatile memory, the bit reverted to a 0. And the universe wasn't. >> God >>learned the importance of backups and memory refresh, and spent the rest of >>the day (and his first all-nighter) reinstalling the universe. >> >>On the third day, the bit cried "Oh, Lord! If you exist, give me a sign!" >>And God created rev. 2.0 of the bit, even better than the original prototype. >>Those in Universe Marketing immediately realised that "new and improved" >>wouldn't do justice to such a grand and glorious creation. And so it was >>dubbed the Most Significant Bit. Many bits followed, but only one was so >>honored. >> >>On the fourth day, God created a simple ALU with 'add' and 'logical shift' >>instructions. And the original bit discovered that by performing a single >>shift instruction, it could become the Most Significant Bit. And God realised >>the importance of computer security. >> >>On the fifth day, God created the first mid-life kicker, rev. 2.0 of the ALU, >>with wonderful features, and said "Forget that add and shift stuff. Go forth >>and multiply." And God saw that it was good. >> >>On the sixth day, God got a bit overconfident, and invented pipelines, >>register hazards, optimising compilers, crosstalk, restartable instructions, >>microinterrupts, race conditions, and propagation delays. Historians have >>used this to convincingly argue that the sixth day must have been a Monday. >> >>On the seventh day, an engineering change introduced Windows into the >>Universe, and it hasn't worked right since. From allan@carhart.com Tue Oct 14 16:15:28 1997 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 06:41:54 -0700 (PDT) From: allan@carhart.com Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Technical upgrades Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 90 > It's been multiple years since I last looked into this, so the memory may > easily be fuzzy, but I was under the impression that NT pre-allocated a > page of swap for every page of swappable physical memory (i.e. everything > non-kernel) whether or not it ever used it. This would imply that swap > must be at least as large as physical memory. So this is significantly different than Unix I presume? --Allan From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Oct 14 16:00:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA12714 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:00:40 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA09766 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:59:11 -0700 Received: from hubbub.cisco.com (mailgate-sj-1.cisco.com [198.92.30.31]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA09762 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:59:05 -0700 Received: from reza.cisco.com (reza.cisco.com [171.68.205.111]) by hubbub.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id PAA25508 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22074 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710132034.NAA22074@reza.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: SD events In-reply-to: eyewell's message of Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:17:32 -0700. <199710101817.LAA25102@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-url: http://www.majornet.com/~reza Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:34:45 -0700 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 91 > Fall Festival on the Green (FFOG) is this weekend, and this is the first annual > homecoming weekend too (check out www.ucsd.edu). There are all kinds of formal > and informal events. > > Weather has been foggy/overcast, and damn cold (70 degrees). > > Where are YOU Reza? I've been working at some lame company here, and they better give me a phat raise if they want to keep me. Taos mtn. I'm contracted out at cisco systems doing network/web security. It's ok, but it's annoying dealing with lame developers. Too many of them. I don't know why you asked about me on the list... OH well, i'm going to go back to doing my hard work -- reading emails most of the time. Reza From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Oct 10 11:23:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA06645 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:23:14 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA12439 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:17:29 -0700 Received: from sdcc6.ucsd.edu (sdcc6.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.6]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA12435 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:17:25 -0700 Received: (from eyewell@localhost) by sdcc6.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA25102 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:17:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Yewell Message-Id: <199710101817.LAA25102@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> Subject: SD events To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:17:32 PDT In-Reply-To: <199710080342.UAA18972@reza.cisco.com>; from "Reza Naima" at Oct 07, 97 8:42 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 212.4] Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 92 Fall Festival on the Green (FFOG) is this weekend, and this is the first annual homecoming weekend too (check out www.ucsd.edu). There are all kinds of formal and informal events. Weather has been foggy/overcast, and damn cold (70 degrees). Where are YOU Reza? Erik From owner-cs-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Oct 9 09:26:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA32567 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:26:08 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id JAA04915 for cs-ucsd-out; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:25:28 -0700 Received: from devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (devastator.extern.ucsd.edu [199.105.3.50]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA04899; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:24:56 -0700 Received: (from chaz@localhost) by devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (8.8.7/8.7.5) id JAA08865; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:28:26 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:28:26 -0700 From: The Chazman Message-Id: <199710091628.JAA08865@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> To: cs-ucsd@mib.org, talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Technical upgrades Sender: owner-cs-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cs-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 93 Really, this thread should be on cs-ucsd, so I'm posting it there as well as to talk-ucsd. Further replies to cs-ucsd list only, please.... Yi-Hung answered: > > On Thu, 9 Oct 1997 allan@carhart.com wrote: > > > On a slightly different note, I had an disagreement with a coworker recently. > > He said that in Windows NT (cough) no matter what the RAM, the swap/page > > size should be twice the physical ram. I argued that PPro 200's with > > 256 Megs of ram running NT 4.0 (Wks I think) need significantly less > > than 500 megs of swap. > > well... suggested swap size for NT is equal to Physical ram + 11meg.. > > so, 256Meg of RAM needs 267 Meg of Swap. > It's been multiple years since I last looked into this, so the memory may easily be fuzzy, but I was under the impression that NT pre-allocated a page of swap for every page of swappable physical memory (i.e. everything non-kernel) whether or not it ever used it. This would imply that swap must be at least as large as physical memory. ------Carl From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Oct 9 03:31:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA23589 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 03:31:19 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id DAA03197 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 03:30:13 -0700 Received: from daver.UUCP (Udaver@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with UUCP id DAA03183 for talk-ucsd; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 03:29:29 -0700 Received: from mail.san.rr.com(really [204.210.0.1]) by daver.bungi.com via sendmail with esmtp id for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 03:24:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) Received: from dt6h3n52.san.rr.com (dt6h3n52.san.rr.com [204.210.37.82]) by mail.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA14484 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 03:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 03:24:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Yi-Hung Chung X-Sender: ychung@dt6h3n52.san.rr.com To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Technical upgrades In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 94 On Thu, 9 Oct 1997 allan@carhart.com wrote: > > On a slightly different note, I had an disagreement with a coworker recently. > He said that in Windows NT (cough) no matter what the RAM, the swap/page > size should be twice the physical ram. I argued that PPro 200's with > 256 Megs of ram running NT 4.0 (Wks I think) need significantly less > than 500 megs of swap. well... suggested swap size for NT is equal to Physical ram + 11meg.. so, 256Meg of RAM needs 267 Meg of Swap. Yi-Hung Chung From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Oct 9 00:38:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA18750 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:38:48 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id AAA02389 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:31:17 -0700 Received: from carhart.com (carhart.com [206.14.125.169]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA02385 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:31:15 -0700 From: allan@carhart.com Received: from localhost (allan@localhost) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with SMTP id AAA18541 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:31:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:31:06 -0700 (PDT) To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Technical upgrades In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 95 > 4 fasteth2-0.paix.sf.cerf.net (134.24.23.1) 4 ms 6 ms 5 ms > 5 atm0-0-155M.sfnode.sf.cerf.net (134.24.29.21) 29 ms 24 ms 11 ms > 6 atm10-0-155M.mums.la.cerf.net (134.24.32.17) 15 ms 15 ms 16 ms > 7 atm8-0.owb.la.cerf.net (134.24.29.18) 17 ms 16 ms 18 ms > 8 hssi2-0.riptide.sd.cerf.net (134.24.29.9) 30 ms 40 ms 38 ms Wow...I've got this sinking feeling that's about as fast as you can shove packets 500 miles. Whew. (I assume hop 5's 29ms was a fluke) > 9 * bigmama-e0.ucsd.edu (134.24.70.200) 192 ms 156 ms > damn, poor UCSD :) My god -- I get better ping times across my 28.8 (when not loaded, of course) > need something faster (POS OC-12 (622Mbps) is already in beta)... Heh. Heh. And gigabit-ethernet's standard will be decided upon early next year. Of course, that's not a long-range plan. Well, Sven, I guess you're right about the theoretical bottleneck ieng9 would have. Pretty awesome. On a slightly different note, I had an disagreement with a coworker recently. He said that in Windows NT (cough) no matter what the RAM, the swap/page size should be twice the physical ram. I argued that PPro 200's with 256 Megs of ram running NT 4.0 (Wks I think) need significantly less than 500 megs of swap. If it were Unix, I'd argue that no swap is needed, since it's just a desktop. Then again, perhaps NT4+Netscape4+Office 97 could actually use a large portion of that RAM. Any opinions? (Other than "Stop using Windows NT") :-) --Allan allan@carhart.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The quickest way to a woman's heart is sincerity. If you can fake that, you've got it made." --Johnny Bravo Pager/Voicemail: 415-253-1522 Alphanumeric Page: page-allan@carhart.com From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 8 18:49:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA09848 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:49:43 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA00634 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:48:08 -0700 Received: from dragonlair.dal.net (dragonlair.dal.net [132.249.66.211]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA00630 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:48:02 -0700 Received: (from dalvenja@localhost) by dragonlair.dal.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA31800 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:48:01 -0700 From: Dalvenjah FoxFire Message-Id: <199710090148.SAA31800@dragonlair.dal.net> Subject: Re: Technical upgrades To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:48:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "allan@carhart.com" at Oct 8, 97 02:14:44 pm X-URL: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 96 allan@carhart.com put this into my mailbox: > > How many CPUs can ieng9 take? Why did they feel the need to upgrade it? > It seems like other things (SCSI bus, 10Mbps ethernet) would become the > bottleneck -- According to the 141L benchmark, ieng9 with two processors and > 125 users blew away the speed of a sparc 5 with 1 user. Up to 6; it's a 4-slot ES3k, one slot has the i/o board, and there're two CPU boards, and one empty slot. Each CPU board can take 2 CPUs. As for 'bottleneck', its SCSI bus is a fast/wide 20M/sec (or is it 40M?) thing for one drive that has basically the root partition and /usr/var/tmp/(etc) on it. And it's connected both via FDDI to the ACS ring, and it has an ATM card that's currently being tested. It has an unused 10M ethernet interface. }:> So if there was a bottleneck, it was probably the CPU - and 3 CPUs helps. I don't know if any of you remembered cse30 last year (I think; maybe it was cs12 or something) that brought ieng9 to its knees because everyone would login in uape and telnet to ieng9 to do their stuff. It flies now, though }:> . I spent a few days running crack on it and the uape ultras, and it wasn't even sweating. sdcc10 will be fun, too: cse10 has something like 600 students in it this quarter, so we'll see how the machine does. It (along with sdcc3) actually got upgraded from a single SuperSparc processor each to dual HyperSparcs each, so sdcc10 should do better. Check out http://www-acs.ucsd.edu/servers.html - it's not even close to production yet, but it has some semi-accurate info. As soon as I can borrow a digital camera, I plan to put pictures up. -dalvenjah -- Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) "Life is anything that dies when Founder, the DALnet IRC Network you stomp on it." -Dave Barry e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 8 16:28:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA06272 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:28:13 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA14937 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:26:14 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA14933 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:26:11 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id QAA00899 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:26:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Technical upgrades In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 97 On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 allan@carhart.com wrote: > Ooooh cool. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but is it true that: FDDI and > ATM are both protocols which run on the same fiber-optic cable, whose > only bottleneck is the speed of light. So upgrading to ATM means not > tearing out the cable, but upgrading the hardware at the ends. Well.... "yeah" :) FDDI usually runs over multi-mode fiber, whereas SONET gear generally uses single-mode. Which is an interesting point -- I wonder how they're dealing with that... The FDDI is fixed at 100Mbps, whereas ATM can run at basically any speed (up to whatever your hardware on the ends can support). Good case-in-point: Sprintlink's Stockton POP. They have like 20 rotuers there, interconnected via FDDI. However, they are adding POSIP (Packet-Over-Sonet IP) cards and POS OC-3c (155Mbps) links, since they'll get 55Mb more that way :-) Plus, they can upgrade the hardware when they need something faster (POS OC-12 (622Mbps) is already in beta)... POS > ATM, but that's a different strory... Anyway, UCSD's Internet connection is a freaking 10Mb ethernet link :-) I wonder if CERF would give them 2x10Mb, and do OSPF load balancing between them... hmmm traceroute to ucsd.edu (132.239.1.1), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 fddi4-1.cr2.SNV.globalcenter.net (206.251.8.33) 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 2 fe1-0.br3.SNV.globalcenter.net (206.251.7.37) 2 ms 1 ms 2 ms 3 hssi2-0.br1.PAO.globalcenter.net (206.251.5.126) 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 4 fasteth2-0.paix.sf.cerf.net (134.24.23.1) 4 ms 6 ms 5 ms 5 atm0-0-155M.sfnode.sf.cerf.net (134.24.29.21) 29 ms 24 ms 11 ms 6 atm10-0-155M.mums.la.cerf.net (134.24.32.17) 15 ms 15 ms 16 ms 7 atm8-0.owb.la.cerf.net (134.24.29.18) 17 ms 16 ms 18 ms 8 hssi2-0.riptide.sd.cerf.net (134.24.29.9) 30 ms 40 ms 38 ms 9 * bigmama-e0.ucsd.edu (134.24.70.200) 192 ms 156 ms 10 muir-gw-fddi.ucsd.edu (132.239.254.238) 179 ms 187 ms 144 ms 11 ucsd.ucsd.edu (132.239.1.1) 268 ms 192 ms 170 ms damn, poor UCSD :) -Taner From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 8 14:16:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA02927 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:16:55 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA14186 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:14:48 -0700 Received: from carhart.com (carhart.com [206.14.125.169]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA14182 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:14:46 -0700 From: allan@carhart.com Received: from localhost (allan@localhost) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with SMTP id OAA02874 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:14:44 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:14:44 -0700 (PDT) To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Technical upgrades In-Reply-To: <199710080757.AAA11762@dragonlair.dal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 98 > campus FDDI ring to ATM, ieng9 has a third CPU, and I just installed Ooooh cool. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but is it true that: FDDI and ATM are both protocols which run on the same fiber-optic cable, whose only bottleneck is the speed of light. So upgrading to ATM means not tearing out the cable, but upgrading the hardware at the ends. How many CPUs can ieng9 take? Why did they feel the need to upgrade it? It seems like other things (SCSI bus, 10Mbps ethernet) would become the bottleneck -- According to the 141L benchmark, ieng9 with two processors and 125 users blew away the speed of a sparc 5 with 1 user. :-) "141L was fun!" --Allan From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 8 12:53:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA00798 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:53:47 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id MAA13706 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:52:39 -0700 Received: from mailbox2.ucsd.edu (mailbox.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA13702 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:52:37 -0700 Received: from emperor.kidsat.ucsd.edu (emperor.kidsat.ucsd.edu [199.105.12.6]) by mailbox2.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA24675 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by emperor.kidsat.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/1.1.10.5/03Aug96-0811PM) id MAA01788; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:52:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Degenhardt To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: drink like a buffalo (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 99 Sheesh... I should be a genius by now. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo, and when >the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that >are killed first. This natural selection is good for the >herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole keeps >improving by the regular culling of the weakest members. > >In much the same way, the human brain can operate only as fast as the >slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, we all know, kills off >brain cells, but naturally it attacks the slowest and weakest brain >cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the >weaker cells, constantly making the brain a faster and more efficient >machine. > >The results of this in-depth epidemiological study verifies and >validates the causal link between all-weekend parties and engineering >performance. It also explains why, after a few short years of leaving >university and getting married, most engineers cannot keep up with the >performance of the new >graduates. Only those few that stick to the strict regimen of voracious >alcoholic consumption can maintain the intellectual levels that they >achieved during their university years. > >So, this is a call to arms. As our country is losing its technological >edge we should not shudder in our homes. Get back into the bars! Quaff >that beer! Your company and country need you to be at your peak, and you >shouldn't deny yourself the career that you could have. > >Be all that you can be. > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 8 12:22:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA32745 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:22:15 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id MAA13498 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:20:40 -0700 Received: from hubbub.cisco.com (mailgate-sj-1.cisco.com [198.92.30.31]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA13494 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:20:38 -0700 Received: from reza.cisco.com (reza.cisco.com [171.68.205.111]) by hubbub.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id MAA02419 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26672 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710081917.MAA26672@reza.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: test In-reply-to: dalvenjah's message of Wed, 08 Oct 1997 00:57:50 -0700. <199710080757.AAA11762@dragonlair.dal.net> X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-url: http://www.majornet.com/~reza Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 12:17:33 -0700 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 100 > Mark Ayzenshteyn put this into my mailbox: > > > > On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Reza Naima wrote: > > > > > hey, what is going on in sd these days? > > > > School and too much of it. Its also getting cold. > > I would write more, but I have to go do schoolwork now. > > SDSC's getting a Tera (supposedly; all we have so far is the compiler, so so, what's a tera? Reza > -- > Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) "You knew the job was dangerous when > Founder, the DALnet IRC Network you took it, Fred!" > - Super Chicken > e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ > whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 8 10:43:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA30199 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:42:56 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA12995 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:41:08 -0700 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA12991 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:41:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (rkleeman@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA19661; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:40:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Kleemann To: Reza Naima cc: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: test In-Reply-To: <199710080342.UAA18972@reza.cisco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 101 On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Reza Naima wrote: > hey, what is going on in sd these days? Top of the Quad was just ercently remodled and re-opened as Sierra Summit. It is supposed to replace the Rat eventually. Construction on campus is almost at a standstill. Except for the top of EBU1 and something inside APM, there is no construction on campus. And what constuction there is doesnt impede traffic at all. Wierd. Otherwise, same stuff, different year. _ _ _ Bobby Kleemann http://sdcc17.ucsd.edu/~rkleeman/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 8 00:58:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA15493 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:58:57 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id AAA10237 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:57:54 -0700 Received: from dragonlair.dal.net (dragonlair.dal.net [132.249.66.211]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA10233 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:57:52 -0700 Received: (from dalvenja@localhost) by dragonlair.dal.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA11762 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:57:50 -0700 From: Dalvenjah FoxFire Message-Id: <199710080757.AAA11762@dragonlair.dal.net> Subject: Re: test To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:57:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Mark Ayzenshteyn" at Oct 7, 97 11:29:19 pm X-URL: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 102 Mark Ayzenshteyn put this into my mailbox: > > On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Reza Naima wrote: > > > hey, what is going on in sd these days? > > School and too much of it. Its also getting cold. > I would write more, but I have to go do schoolwork now. SDSC's getting a Tera (supposedly; all we have so far is the compiler, so you can compile code but not test or run it }:> ), UCSD is converting their campus FDDI ring to ATM, ieng9 has a third CPU, and I just installed kerberos. That's all the important stuff, anyhow. }:> -dalvenjah -- Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) "You knew the job was dangerous when Founder, the DALnet IRC Network you took it, Fred!" - Super Chicken e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Oct 7 23:34:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA13333 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:34:31 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id XAA09841 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:32:40 -0700 Received: from bonzo.org (bonzo.znet.com [207.167.66.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA09837 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:32:36 -0700 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.8.7/8.6.9) id XAA13564; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:29:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:29:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: test In-Reply-To: <199710080342.UAA18972@reza.cisco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 103 On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Reza Naima wrote: > hey, what is going on in sd these days? School and too much of it. Its also getting cold. I would write more, but I have to go do schoolwork now. Mark :) ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD You couldn't get a clue during the marka@bonzo.org clue mating season in a field full http://www.bonzo.org/~marka of horny clues if you smeared your Pager:619-785-1053 body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.-Edward Flaherty From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Oct 7 20:42:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA09010 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:42:23 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id UAA08846 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:41:16 -0700 Received: from hubbub.cisco.com (mailgate-sj-1.cisco.com [198.92.30.31]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA08842 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:41:15 -0700 Received: from reza.cisco.com (reza.cisco.com [171.68.205.111]) by hubbub.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id UAA27634 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA18972 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710080342.UAA18972@reza.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: test X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-url: http://www.majornet.com/~reza Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:42:57 -0700 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 104 hey, what is going on in sd these days? Reza From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Oct 7 20:15:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA08307 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:15:54 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id UAA08652 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:14:47 -0700 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA08648 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:14:46 -0700 Received: from localhost (rkleeman@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA20261 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:14:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Kleemann To: Talk List Subject: Re: Good News. :) (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 105 I had to pass this one on... _ _ _ Bobby Kleemann http://sdcc17.ucsd.edu/~rkleeman/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:18:44 -0700 From: Jason Lindquist To: acm@ucsd.edu Subject: Re: Good News. :) In our last episode, Timothy Chen expounded: > Go to Netscape and fight with the Rebellion in defeating the dark side of > the force. You neglected to include the relevant URL... JL -- Jason A. Lindquist KB9LCL <*> "Unfortunately, no one is listening jlindqui@qualcomm.com (business) to keystrokes at the moment. You linky@see.figure1.net (personal) might as well stop typing" -- S. Dorner From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Oct 7 13:06:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA29949 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:06:37 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA06315 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:05:16 -0700 Received: from hubbub.cisco.com (mailgate-sj-1.cisco.com [198.92.30.31]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA06311 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:05:15 -0700 Received: from reza.cisco.com (reza.cisco.com [171.68.205.111]) by hubbub.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id NAA06450 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11798 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710072006.NAA11798@reza.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Fry's In-reply-to: taner's message of Mon, 06 Oct 1997 23:15:11 -0700. X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-url: http://www.majornet.com/~reza Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 13:06:58 -0700 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 106 > lordy... > > I just went to Fry's the other day to get 2 16M SIMMs for my brother, and > was about to leave, when I double-checked the price.... > > 16M SIMM, 60ns, EDO, no parity -- $65.00 > 32M SIMM, 60ns, EDI, no parity -- $77.00 > are you going to mail it to him? Reza From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Oct 6 23:19:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA08555 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:18:59 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id XAA02235 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:15:13 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA02231 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:15:10 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id XAA23867 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:15:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: UCSD Talk Subject: Fry's Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 107 lordy... I just went to Fry's the other day to get 2 16M SIMMs for my brother, and was about to leave, when I double-checked the price.... 16M SIMM, 60ns, EDO, no parity -- $65.00 32M SIMM, 60ns, EDI, no parity -- $77.00 WTF!@?!?@$#(*^ needless to say, I got him 2 32M SIMMs, instead... what is this madness??? :-D -Taner "yes, I have 128M now - I can finally run Netscape!" From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Oct 3 10:44:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA11641 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:44:37 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA15545 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:43:31 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA15493 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:43:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id KAA02980 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:43:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: UCSD Talk Subject: Re: Traffic Violations. (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 108 Damn Reza, don't you ever read your email? :) Here's what Carl said (and for anyone else that somehow missed it ;-) -Taner ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:59:13 -0700 From: The Chazman Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Traffic Violations. > > Carl: OOH OOH! Please tell us where you got your radar detector. For Reza and Allan and anyone else interested, the particular one I got is the Valentine One, made by Valentine Research in Cincinnati. They don't go through any retailers. Their products can only be ordered directly from the factory. No website that I've been able to find, but a toll-free number for orders and to request information. 1-800-331-3030. The price is a bit steep, but worth it, I think. $400 with laser detection, $330 without. If you need more impetus to part with that much cash instead of going with a much cheaper model from Escort, Uniden, or Bel, I suggest you dig up the April 1997 copy of Car and Driver magazine. > So I decided I better look into radar detectors. Or even better, radar > blockers. > There are two kinds of radar blockers. You can get a paint that diffuses radar and stops enough of it from bouncing back to the gun for it to get any kind of a reading. Fairly expensive, works moderately well, but looks like shit. They haven't been able to make it clear yet, nor will any car manufacturer mix it into their factory paint. Or you can get a radar jammer. Something that broadcasts a bogus radar signal back to the gun, drowning out your reflection, and giving a false reading. Highly illegal. No there's no special law against it, but all police radars are on protected frequencies that require a specific FCC license to transmit on. You get caught with one of those, and get turned in to the FCC, and they'll slap you with a fine ten times the biggest ticket you ever got, and possibly toss your ass in jail to boot. -----Carl From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Oct 2 22:07:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA25099 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:07:16 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id WAA21908 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:05:02 -0700 Received: from hubbub.cisco.com (mailgate-sj-1.cisco.com [198.92.30.31]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA21824 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:04:52 -0700 Received: from reza.cisco.com (reza.cisco.com [171.68.205.111]) by hubbub.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id WAA05424 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA07979 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710030506.WAA07979@reza.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: radar detection at UCSD In-reply-to: chaz's message of Thu, 02 Oct 1997 19:18:33 -0700. <199710030218.TAA04629@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-url: http://www.majornet.com/~reza Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 22:06:27 -0700 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 109 i don't know if you replied or not -- i never got a reply. i was wonder ing if you told anyone what type of radar detector you had? reza From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Oct 2 19:17:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA20809 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:17:14 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id TAA04116 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:14:55 -0700 Received: from devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (devastator.extern.ucsd.edu [199.105.3.50]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA03978 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:14:40 -0700 Received: (from chaz@localhost) by devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (8.8.7/8.7.5) id TAA04629 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:18:33 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:18:33 -0700 From: The Chazman Message-Id: <199710030218.TAA04629@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: radar detection at UCSD Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 110 Ben informed us: > > For those still at UCSD and who have a radar detector it may come in > handy. There is currently a motorcycle cop sitting in between the > trees on the sidewalk next to AP&M looking for cars going around the > campus loop (coming from Muir towards Peterson). > Cool! A chance to check out the new detector against known-live radar. I'll have to stop over there tomorrow and see if he's still trying to nail people..... :) ------Carl From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Oct 2 18:44:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA19858 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:44:38 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA16090 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:42:38 -0700 Received: from carhart.com (carhart.com [206.14.125.169]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA16002 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:42:28 -0700 From: allan@carhart.com Received: from localhost (allan@localhost) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with SMTP id SAA19787 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:42:44 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:42:44 -0700 (PDT) To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: radar detection at UCSD In-Reply-To: <199710022031.NAA24397@sdcc10.ucsd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 111 On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, Dr. Ben wrote: > How could UCSD crime be reduced? Why the hell doesn't the cop turn > around and patrol the lot instead? Oh please, "Dr" Ben. Can't you come up with something more interesting to say? I mean, my god. We discussed this topic to death about 3 months ago. --Allan From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Oct 2 13:34:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA11358 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:34:20 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA02167 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:32:08 -0700 Received: from sdcc10.ucsd.edu (sdcc10.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.10]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA02064 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:31:58 -0700 Received: (from bmarcus@localhost) by sdcc10.ucsd.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id NAA24397 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:31:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dr. Ben" Message-Id: <199710022031.NAA24397@sdcc10.ucsd.edu> Subject: radar detection at UCSD To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:31:56 -0700 (PDT) X-signal: SIGBEN X-level: completely-insecure X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL16 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 112 Hiya For those still at UCSD and who have a radar detector it may come in handy. There is currently a motorcycle cop sitting in between the trees on the sidewalk next to AP&M looking for cars going around the campus loop (coming from Muir towards Peterson). How could UCSD crime be reduced? Why the hell doesn't the cop turn around and patrol the lot instead? --Ben ( ben@ucsd.edu ) From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Oct 2 00:00:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA23194 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:00:53 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id XAA21625 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:55:27 -0700 Received: from devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (devastator.extern.ucsd.edu [199.105.3.50]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA21621 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:55:11 -0700 Received: (from chaz@localhost) by devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (8.8.7/8.7.5) id XAA04309 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:59:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:59:13 -0700 From: The Chazman Message-Id: <199710020659.XAA04309@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Traffic Violations. Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 113 > > Carl: OOH OOH! Please tell us where you got your radar detector. For Reza and Allan and anyone else interested, the particular one I got is the Valentine One, made by Valentine Research in Cincinnati. They don't go through any retailers. Their products can only be ordered directly from the factory. No website that I've been able to find, but a toll-free number for orders and to request information. 1-800-331-3030. The price is a bit steep, but worth it, I think. $400 with laser detection, $330 without. If you need more impetus to part with that much cash instead of going with a much cheaper model from Escort, Uniden, or Bel, I suggest you dig up the April 1997 copy of Car and Driver magazine. > So I decided I better look into radar detectors. Or even better, radar > blockers. > There are two kinds of radar blockers. You can get a paint that diffuses radar and stops enough of it from bouncing back to the gun for it to get any kind of a reading. Fairly expensive, works moderately well, but looks like shit. They haven't been able to make it clear yet, nor will any car manufacturer mix it into their factory paint. Or you can get a radar jammer. Something that broadcasts a bogus radar signal back to the gun, drowning out your reflection, and giving a false reading. Highly illegal. No there's no special law against it, but all police radars are on protected frequencies that require a specific FCC license to transmit on. You get caught with one of those, and get turned in to the FCC, and they'll slap you with a fine ten times the biggest ticket you ever got, and possibly toss your ass in jail to boot. -----Carl From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 1 23:18:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA22063 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:18:44 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id XAA21377 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:12:24 -0700 Received: from bonzo.org (bonzo.znet.com [207.167.66.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA21373 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:12:19 -0700 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA03986; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:10:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:10:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Traffic Violations. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 114 On Wed, 1 Oct 1997 allan@carhart.com wrote: > I think that the camera actually takes two photos -- one of the people > in the front, and one of the rear license plate. At least, that was the > impression I got. I don't think it tries to get detail of a person's > identity and the license place all in one huge photo. Actually it does. It takes one pic and then it blows it up to where you can see the driver really well, but the plate is blury. Then it fliters everything out but the plate and shows only that. > By the way, if you let an adult without a license drive your car, that may > not be a big deal. But lets face it, most people without a license are minors. > Letting a kid drive your car would be something like "contributing to the > dilenquency of a minor" and would most likely be a misdemenor. > More expensive than the traffic violation. :-) See my previous message on international licenses. ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD You couldn't get a clue during the marka@bonzo.org clue mating season in a field full http://www.bonzo.org/~marka of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.-Edward Flaherty From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 1 23:14:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA21961 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:14:09 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id XAA21318 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:08:47 -0700 Received: from bonzo.org (bonzo.znet.com [207.167.66.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA21314 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:08:43 -0700 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA03962; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:06:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:06:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Traffic Violations In-Reply-To: <199710011742.KAA04078@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 115 On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, The Chazman wrote: > > > > Also, I'm assuming the take a picture form the front? Altho you're > > *supposed* to have front plates in CA, you don't get pulled over for not > > having them (but if you're stopped already, they can give you a $10 fixit > > ticket) - so what do they do about no plates? > > A very good reason not to use your front plate. I've heard several > people advise that you keep it in the car even if you don't display it, > though. Spare tire well is a common choice. I also read somewhere on the web you can get a "polarizing???" plate cover which will still allow your license plates to be seen when looked at head on, but will distort the license when you look at it from the side so a camera mounted high wouldn't get a good plate read and they couldn't id the car. Mark "That was a f*cking huge sentence..." ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD You couldn't get a clue during the marka@bonzo.org clue mating season in a field full http://www.bonzo.org/~marka of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.-Edward Flaherty From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 1 23:12:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA21907 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:12:18 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id XAA21278 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:05:55 -0700 Received: from bonzo.org (bonzo.znet.com [207.167.66.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA21274 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:05:49 -0700 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA03947; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:03:48 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Traffic Violation (was: Nuke Redmond) In-Reply-To: <199710011735.KAA04068@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 116 > I would tend to think not, so long as the driver was sufficiently > identified. But then again, you've just convicted yourself of willfully > allowing your car to be driven by someone you knew didn't have a license, > which is also a ticket. Though not as expensive a one as running the red > light. I don't have a problem with that. But thats not a moving violation so it would have no points attached. I have a problem with them putting points on someones record when it is clear the person in question did not commit the violation. Not giving up the person could/should be fined, but points are for moving violations only. If points can be placed on someones record for simply owning a car then anyone who owns a business is at a major advantage because they can transfer the title of the car to the business and then they can never be tagged by the photocop. Mark ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD You couldn't get a clue during the marka@bonzo.org clue mating season in a field full http://www.bonzo.org/~marka of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.-Edward Flaherty From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 1 22:52:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA21401 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:52:20 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id WAA21148 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:46:34 -0700 Received: from bonzo.org (bonzo.znet.com [207.167.66.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA21144 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:46:26 -0700 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA03891; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:44:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:44:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Nuke Redmond (was: {blank}) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971001071521.006c0eac@rollercoaster.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 117 On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Jim Serio wrote: > I would clearly give up the person. Why wouldn't you? It's your car. > You loaned it to the person and he put it in danger by running the > red light and now you're the one being hassled by the cops. It's > not your problem to deal with. Again.. why wouldn't you give him/her > up? Who cares if their from Russa? It will be harder for them to > be caught. Of course, what happens if you loan your car to > somone you *know* doesn't have a driver's license? Hmmm. I'd imagine > you'd have to take responsibility for the ticket. Maybe that's why you > don't want to give him/her up? On a somewhat similar note, I received > a parking ticket at UCSD last year, and failed to pay it within the 21 > day period. Well, the owner of my car received a copy of the ticket as > well and he had to pay it, even though he wasn't the one who got the > ticker in the first place. Ok, I guess I didn't make it clear that for some weird reason you don't want to give up the person. Maybe because you don't want them to get a ticket. Lets say the person has an international drivers license issued by a different county. They could leagaly drive in the US & not have CA DL. It should be up to the police to prove who drove the car and then punish the appropriate person. Mark ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD You couldn't get a clue during the marka@bonzo.org clue mating season in a field full http://www.bonzo.org/~marka of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.-Edward Flaherty From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 1 13:06:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA06103 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:06:57 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA18352 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:02:30 -0700 Received: from carhart.com (carhart.com [206.14.125.169]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA18348 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:02:24 -0700 From: allan@carhart.com Received: from localhost (allan@localhost) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with SMTP id NAA05967 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:02:43 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:02:43 -0700 (PDT) To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Traffic Violations. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 118 A couple of things to mention -- Bobby -- I dare say that if your car has been officially reported as stolen, that removes you from being responsible. Of course, that's the sort of thing that can get screwed up in beaurocracy. On the other hand, the innocent-until-proven-guilty bit doesn't really apply. I'm sure if this stuff is all true, there's some law stating that you're responsible if someone does x-y-z with your car. Therefore yeah you're innocent until proven otherwise, but the photo proves otherwise, and the law makes you responsible. I don't think it's true that you have to have a ticket at that moment -- I'm sure allowing these cameras be put into place required some legislation, so they probably modified the rules at the time. I think that the camera actually takes two photos -- one of the people in the front, and one of the rear license plate. At least, that was the impression I got. I don't think it tries to get detail of a person's identity and the license place all in one huge photo. By the way, if you let an adult without a license drive your car, that may not be a big deal. But lets face it, most people without a license are minors. Letting a kid drive your car would be something like "contributing to the dilenquency of a minor" and would most likely be a misdemenor. More expensive than the traffic violation. :-) Carl: OOH OOH! Please tell us where you got your radar detector. A few weeks ago, my father was giving me a hard time about speeding, when I got from my place to his in 5 minutes. (Mountain View to Cupertino) He pointed out that "85" and "101" are freeway numbers, not speed limits :-) And that cops probably would notice a speeding red car more than another color. So I decided I better look into radar detectors. Or even better, radar blockers. --Allan allan@carhart.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Maybe we'll be lucky, and Prince Charles will die too." -- Brandon Sulser, bitter after discovering "Saturday Night Live" was cancelled for Diana Coverage Pager/Voicemail: 415-253-1522 Alphanumeric Page: page-allan@carhart.com From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 1 12:29:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA05103 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:29:04 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id MAA18156 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:27:54 -0700 Received: from pry.com (pry.com [204.62.130.100]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA18152 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:27:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 25555 invoked by uid 501); 1 Oct 1997 19:28:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 21:28:32 +0200 From: Dan Haskovec To: talk UCSD Subject: Re: hahahha In-Reply-To: <199710011819.LAA13587@sdcc10.ucsd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 119 You may laugh... they've been shipping AOL this way for a while now. On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Sunit Nangia wrote: > >From news.com: > > ... > > Back on the browser front, Microsoft announced tonight that Sony Music > will start bundling IE 4.0 on selected audio CDs. Sony hopes to ship 10 > million CDs with Explorer within a year. > > ... > > ..ummm..yeah.. we can *listen* to IE now... :) > > -S > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 1 11:45:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA03989 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:45:43 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA17927 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:44:19 -0700 Received: from hubbub.cisco.com (mailgate-sj-1.cisco.com [198.92.30.31]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA17923 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:44:17 -0700 Received: from reza.cisco.com (reza.cisco.com [171.68.205.111]) by hubbub.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id LAA02473; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16118; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710011845.LAA16118@reza.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org cc: chaz@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu Subject: Re: Traffic Violations In-reply-to: chaz's message of Wed, 01 Oct 1997 10:54:07 -0700. <199710011754.KAA04089@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-url: http://www.majornet.com/~reza Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:45:43 -0700 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 120 chaz@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu said: > Speaking of top-notch radar detectors, I finally got mine. I > bought a Valentine One. It kicks ass. It'll tell you how many > separate emitters it's tracking, in which direction they are (ahead, > behind, or to the side), in which direction the strongest one is, what > band it's on, and whether it thinks it's a false or a real threat. > Driving by any hospital or medical building is fun -- it racks up > at least six, sometimes nine (as high as the display goes) separate > X-band emitters, and usually tags them all as falses. Sold, where did you get it, and how much. I've also been looking into getting a 100-200 disc changer -- any recommendations? Reza From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 1 11:41:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA03875 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:41:46 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA17872 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:40:43 -0700 Received: from hubbub.cisco.com (mailgate-sj-1.cisco.com [198.92.30.31]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA17868 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:40:40 -0700 Received: from reza.cisco.com (reza.cisco.com [171.68.205.111]) by hubbub.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id LAA02064 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16071 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710011842.LAA16071@reza.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Nuke Redmond (was: {blank}) In-reply-to: rkleeman's message of Wed, 01 Oct 1997 10:28:33 -0700. X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-url: http://www.majornet.com/~reza Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:42:17 -0700 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 121 what freaks me out about this whole ordeal is that i now recall seeing a bunch of wierd things over some of the lanes only, whith other things further ahead of them. is that what it is? i hope i wasn't going too fast. i head about another thing where they had a camera and radar detector stuck in the back of some station wagon that drove around and took pictures of speeding cars. they mailed the pictures in, and you had the option not do anything and have a court date assigned, or to pay the fine. everyone that didn't do anything got off on technical reasons. reza From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 1 11:34:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA03693 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:34:22 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA17795 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:32:55 -0700 Received: from hubbub.cisco.com (mailgate-sj-1.cisco.com [198.92.30.31]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA17791 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:32:52 -0700 Received: from reza.cisco.com (reza.cisco.com [171.68.205.111]) by hubbub.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id LAA01252 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15950 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710011834.LAA15950@reza.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Traffic Violations In-reply-to: taner's message of Wed, 01 Oct 1997 01:41:08 -0700. X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-url: http://www.majornet.com/~reza Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:34:27 -0700 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 122 taner@isi.net said: > Also, I'm assuming the take a picture form the front? Altho you're > *supposed* to have front plates in CA, you don't get pulled over for > not having them (but if you're stopped already, they can give you a > $10 fixit ticket) - so what do they do about no plates? Or how about > new cars? I guess they just let those go by or something... i was told that you had to have them, but they didn't need to be in the front of the car. i.e., the trunk would work just fine. Reza From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 1 10:51:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA02611 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:51:34 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA17490 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:50:08 -0700 Received: from devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (devastator.extern.ucsd.edu [199.105.3.50]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA17486 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:50:03 -0700 Received: (from chaz@localhost) by devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (8.8.7/8.7.5) id KAA04089 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:54:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:54:07 -0700 From: The Chazman Message-Id: <199710011754.KAA04089@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Traffic Violations Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 123 > > I believe there as been a case in northern california where one > man challenged recieving a ticket by a camera and radar detetor as a > violation of his constitutional rights... I don't remember what his > argument was based on, but he actually won the argument and did not have > to pay for the fine... > Those things are easy enough to avoid. Just buy a good radar detector. It's not like a gun where the cop can turn it on only when he sees you and thinks you might be speeding, giving you little or no warning. Those things have to be on all the time. A top-notch detector operating in favorable terrain could easily give you nearly a two-mile warning of a camera/radar rig. Speaking of top-notch radar detectors, I finally got mine. I bought a Valentine One. It kicks ass. It'll tell you how many separate emitters it's tracking, in which direction they are (ahead, behind, or to the side), in which direction the strongest one is, what band it's on, and whether it thinks it's a false or a real threat. Driving by any hospital or medical building is fun -- it racks up at least six, sometimes nine (as high as the display goes) separate X-band emitters, and usually tags them all as falses. -----Carl From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 1 10:39:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA02302 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:39:27 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA17401 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:38:12 -0700 Received: from devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (devastator.extern.ucsd.edu [199.105.3.50]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA17397 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:38:03 -0700 Received: (from chaz@localhost) by devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (8.8.7/8.7.5) id KAA04078 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:42:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:42:06 -0700 From: The Chazman Message-Id: <199710011742.KAA04078@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Traffic Violations Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 124 > > Also, I'm assuming the take a picture form the front? Altho you're > *supposed* to have front plates in CA, you don't get pulled over for not > having them (but if you're stopped already, they can give you a $10 fixit > ticket) - so what do they do about no plates? A very good reason not to use your front plate. I've heard several people advise that you keep it in the car even if you don't display it, though. Spare tire well is a common choice. Also, should you get pulled over and are lucky enough to get a cop in a good mood who will talk to you for a bit, you might be able to get yourself a break by asking him to write you up for no front plate instead of whatever you really did. A cop will almost never stop writing a ticket once he/she has written even one letter on it, but if you can convince them before they get to the offense section (halfway down the ticket), you might be able to get them to change the offense to something lesser, or even fixit, like a missing front plate, if you can quickly point out such a correctable problem. ------Carl From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 1 10:32:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA02127 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:32:53 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA17340 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:31:48 -0700 Received: from devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (devastator.extern.ucsd.edu [199.105.3.50]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA17336 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:31:43 -0700 Received: (from chaz@localhost) by devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (8.8.7/8.7.5) id KAA04068 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:35:46 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:35:46 -0700 From: The Chazman Message-Id: <199710011735.KAA04068@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Traffic Violation (was: Nuke Redmond) Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 125 Jim noted: > > I would clearly give up the person. Why wouldn't you? It's your car. > You loaned it to the person and he put it in danger by running the > red light and now you're the one being hassled by the cops. I don't have the details in front of me, but I seem to remember something in the CVC about the owner of a car being ultimately responsible for what- ever the car does, including infractions committed by another driver if that other driver cannot be identified. That is, unless you officially report your car stolen. > Again.. why wouldn't you give him/her > up? Who cares if their from Russa? It will be harder for them to > be caught. Of course, what happens if you loan your car to > somone you *know* doesn't have a driver's license? Hmmm. I'd imagine > you'd have to take responsibility for the ticket. > I would tend to think not, so long as the driver was sufficiently identified. But then again, you've just convicted yourself of willfully allowing your car to be driven by someone you knew didn't have a license, which is also a ticket. Though not as expensive a one as running the red light. ------Carl From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 1 10:29:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA02038 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:29:45 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA17282 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:28:41 -0700 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA17278 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:28:39 -0700 Received: from localhost (rkleeman@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24746; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:28:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Kleemann To: Dalvenjah FoxFire cc: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Nuke Redmond (was: {blank}) In-Reply-To: <199710011706.KAA02064@dragonlair.dal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 126 On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Dalvenjah FoxFire wrote: > Jim Serio put this into my mailbox: > > On a somewhat similar note, I received > > a parking ticket at UCSD last year, and failed to pay it within the 21 > > day period. Well, the owner of my car received a copy of the ticket as > > well and he had to pay it, even though he wasn't the one who got the > > ticker in the first place. > > Yeah - apparently CA has a law that a ticket can't be against a person - it > can only be against a car. So you can't do anything to a person who hasn't > paid their tickets (not really), but you can impound their car and things like > that. I was under the impression that you were innocent until proven guilty. The person in the picture is not you, therefore you are innocent. I also seem to recal that there was some ruling that you had to get the ticket at the time of the infraction, not several days/weeks later. Additionally, what can you do if someone steals your car and goes joyriding in it? You/your car surely cannot be responsible for the actions of another person. There are several legal questions here that seem to indicate the police are trying to be lazy and have you catch the criminal for them. You should insist that they do the work for themselves and leave the innocent people alone. The best thing you could do at this point is talk to Student Legal Services. They would understand the law a lot better than anyone here. _ _ _ Bobby Kleemann http://sdcc17.ucsd.edu/~rkleeman/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 1 10:07:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA01456 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:07:24 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA17119 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:06:11 -0700 Received: from dragonlair.dal.net (dragonlair.dal.net [132.249.66.211]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA17115 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:06:05 -0700 Received: (from dalvenja@localhost) by dragonlair.dal.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02064 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:06:04 -0700 From: Dalvenjah FoxFire Message-Id: <199710011706.KAA02064@dragonlair.dal.net> Subject: Re: Nuke Redmond (was: {blank}) To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:06:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971001071521.006c0eac@rollercoaster.com> from "Jim Serio" at Oct 1, 97 07:15:21 am X-URL: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 127 Jim Serio put this into my mailbox: > On a somewhat similar note, I received > a parking ticket at UCSD last year, and failed to pay it within the 21 > day period. Well, the owner of my car received a copy of the ticket as > well and he had to pay it, even though he wasn't the one who got the > ticker in the first place. Yeah - apparently CA has a law that a ticket can't be against a person - it can only be against a car. So you can't do anything to a person who hasn't paid their tickets (not really), but you can impound their car and things like that. I was talking to a guy from UIUC in Illinois, where they don't have laws like that. If you get a ticket on UIUC campus, they can do all kinds of things - including drop all your (hard-to-get-into) classes, without warning. He even told a story about someone whose sister - in her own car - had some sort of parking violation and didn't pay. She had her classes dropped - even though it wasn't her and it wasn't her car who got the ticket. You can't sue them for things like this, either - when you sign the stuff to get in, you agree that if you decide to sue the university for any reason, they can kick you out - permanently. I guess UIUC is even more experienced at screwing people up the bahoozie than UCSD is. -dalvenjah -- Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) "Life is anything that dies when Founder, the DALnet IRC Network you stomp on it." -Dave Barry e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 1 09:20:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA00232 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:20:47 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id IAA16477 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:02:21 -0700 Received: from pry.com (pry.com [204.62.130.100]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA16473 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:02:19 -0700 Received: (qmail 24087 invoked by uid 501); 1 Oct 1997 15:02:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 17:02:57 +0200 From: Dan Haskovec To: Jim Serio cc: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Traffic Violations In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971001070919.006c0eac@rollercoaster.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 128 I'd like to see a prosecutor prove in court the contents of a smoking utensil based strictly on a photograph taken from 20m distance. Not likely. On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Jim Serio wrote: > At 01:40 AM 10/1/97 -0700, you wrote: > > > > I believe there as been a case in northern california where one > >man challenged recieving a ticket by a camera and radar detetor as a > >violation of his constitutional rights... I don't remember what his > >argument was based on, but he actually won the argument and did not have > >to pay for the fine... > > There was also a case in LA where a man was photographed smoking > pot in his car. He brought it to court and was also let off. > > Jim > -- > Jim Serio jim@rollercoaster.com (PGP Key ID: 0xE5E9F23E) > World of Coasters - http://www.rollercoaster.com > The Web's Premier Coaster Site! > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 1 09:20:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA00235 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:20:50 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id HAA16290 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:30:13 -0700 Received: from daver.UUCP (Udaver@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with UUCP id HAA16213 for talk-ucsd; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:20:13 -0700 Received: from mail.san.rr.com(really [204.210.0.1]) by daver.bungi.com via sendmail with esmtp id for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:15:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) Received: from jim-serio.san.rr.com (dt8h5n87.san.rr.com [204.210.26.135]) by mail.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA13390 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971001071521.006c0eac@rollercoaster.com> X-Sender: jim@rollercoaster.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 07:15:21 -0700 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org From: Jim Serio Subject: Re: Nuke Redmond (was: {blank}) In-Reply-To: References: <199710010014.RAA03707@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 129 At 09:46 PM 9/30/97 -0700, you wrote: > >On a different note: Let us presume a photocop takes a picture of a car >running a red light. A violation is sent to the owner of the car. But it >wasn't the owner of the car that was driving at the time. It is obvious >from the pic that it wasn't the owner behind the wheel. The procedure I would clearly give up the person. Why wouldn't you? It's your car. You loaned it to the person and he put it in danger by running the red light and now you're the one being hassled by the cops. It's not your problem to deal with. Again.. why wouldn't you give him/her up? Who cares if their from Russa? It will be harder for them to be caught. Of course, what happens if you loan your car to somone you *know* doesn't have a driver's license? Hmmm. I'd imagine you'd have to take responsibility for the ticket. Maybe that's why you don't want to give him/her up? On a somewhat similar note, I received a parking ticket at UCSD last year, and failed to pay it within the 21 day period. Well, the owner of my car received a copy of the ticket as well and he had to pay it, even though he wasn't the one who got the ticker in the first place. Jim -- Jim Serio jim@rollercoaster.com (PGP Key ID: 0xE5E9F23E) World of Coasters - http://www.rollercoaster.com The Web's Premier Coaster Site! From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 1 09:20:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA00238 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:20:53 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id HAA16216 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:20:16 -0700 Received: from daver.UUCP (Udaver@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with UUCP id HAA16174 for talk-ucsd; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:10:10 -0700 Received: from mail.san.rr.com(really [204.210.0.1]) by daver.bungi.com via sendmail with esmtp id for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:09:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) Received: from jim-serio.san.rr.com (dt8h5n87.san.rr.com [204.210.26.135]) by mail.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA10156 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971001070919.006c0eac@rollercoaster.com> X-Sender: jim@rollercoaster.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 07:09:19 -0700 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org From: Jim Serio Subject: Re: Traffic Violations In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 130 At 01:40 AM 10/1/97 -0700, you wrote: > > I believe there as been a case in northern california where one >man challenged recieving a ticket by a camera and radar detetor as a >violation of his constitutional rights... I don't remember what his >argument was based on, but he actually won the argument and did not have >to pay for the fine... There was also a case in LA where a man was photographed smoking pot in his car. He brought it to court and was also let off. Jim -- Jim Serio jim@rollercoaster.com (PGP Key ID: 0xE5E9F23E) World of Coasters - http://www.rollercoaster.com The Web's Premier Coaster Site! From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 1 09:20:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA00241 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:20:55 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id BAA14774 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:41:11 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA14770 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:41:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id BAA13992 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:41:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Traffic Violations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 131 On Wed, 1 Oct 1997 allan@carhart.com wrote: > radar detectors to snap a photo of you and your license plate when > you're speeding, and send you a ticket along with copies of the photos. heh... I remember a story along these lines... * A guy is caught this way, speeding. * He receives a phono of him, in his car, speeding - and a ticket and bill for $150 or whatever. * He takes a picture of $150 and sends it in. * He the receives a picture of a court summons (suubpoena or somesuch) and another fine (a late fine) ;-) > So what's been contested is a privacy issue. What if a married man and > non-wife other-woman are driving somewhere and he runs a red light, or > is speeding. A photo by the automatic camera snaps a shot of them, and > mails the photo home. Isn't this a violation of something or other..I > dunno, freedom of the persuit of happiness or something. :-) That's a very interesting point. Also, I'm assuming the take a picture form the front? Altho you're *supposed* to have front plates in CA, you don't get pulled over for not having them (but if you're stopped already, they can give you a $10 fixit ticket) - so what do they do about no plates? Or how about new cars? I guess they just let those go by or something... -Taner From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 1 01:41:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id BAA11044 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:41:27 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id BAA14739 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:40:18 -0700 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA14735 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:40:15 -0700 Received: from localhost (hanani@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA26380 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:40:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Hani Anani To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Traffic Violations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 132 On Wed, 1 Oct 1997 allan@carhart.com wrote: > > > feelings on the subject to actually make the donation. What percentage of > > > said donor base do you think would actually have to make the donation before > > > the fund could carry out its chartered task? > > > > I could probably get us a warhead at discount from Russia. :) > > Sure, and I'm sure all those ms-haters in Seattle will contribute to their > own annihilation. As a matter of fact, I think making a donation while living > anywhere in the pacific northwest would prolly be a mistake. :-P > > > No, this has nothing to do with me. :) I don't run red lights. Not the > > onces with cameras anyway... > > Glad you qualified this statement. > > I know that variations of this premise have been battled in courts. > In the South-West cities of Santa Clara county, it's common for automatic > radar detectors to snap a photo of you and your license plate when > you're speeding, and send you a ticket along with copies of the photos. > They're starting this in San Francisco with running red lights, too. > > So what's been contested is a privacy issue. What if a married man and > non-wife other-woman are driving somewhere and he runs a red light, or > is speeding. A photo by the automatic camera snaps a shot of them, and > mails the photo home. Isn't this a violation of something or other..I dunno, > freedom of the persuit of happiness or something. :-) I believe there as been a case in northern california where one man challenged recieving a ticket by a camera and radar detetor as a violation of his constitutional rights... I don't remember what his argument was based on, but he actually won the argument and did not have to pay for the fine... > > --Allan "If only they'd mail me the originals/negatives...." :-) > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Oct 1 01:08:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id BAA09999 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:08:20 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id BAA14536 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:06:57 -0700 Received: from carhart.com (carhart.com [206.14.125.169]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA14532 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:06:51 -0700 From: allan@carhart.com Received: from localhost (allan@localhost) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with SMTP id BAA09963 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:07:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:07:17 -0700 (PDT) To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Traffic Violations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 133 > > feelings on the subject to actually make the donation. What percentage of > > said donor base do you think would actually have to make the donation before > > the fund could carry out its chartered task? > > I could probably get us a warhead at discount from Russia. :) Sure, and I'm sure all those ms-haters in Seattle will contribute to their own annihilation. As a matter of fact, I think making a donation while living anywhere in the pacific northwest would prolly be a mistake. :-P > No, this has nothing to do with me. :) I don't run red lights. Not the > onces with cameras anyway... Glad you qualified this statement. I know that variations of this premise have been battled in courts. In the South-West cities of Santa Clara county, it's common for automatic radar detectors to snap a photo of you and your license plate when you're speeding, and send you a ticket along with copies of the photos. They're starting this in San Francisco with running red lights, too. So what's been contested is a privacy issue. What if a married man and non-wife other-woman are driving somewhere and he runs a red light, or is speeding. A photo by the automatic camera snaps a shot of them, and mails the photo home. Isn't this a violation of something or other..I dunno, freedom of the persuit of happiness or something. :-) --Allan "If only they'd mail me the originals/negatives...." :-) From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Sep 30 21:54:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA05078 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:54:52 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id VAA13572 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:48:03 -0700 Received: from bonzo.org (bonzo.znet.com [207.167.66.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA13565 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:47:58 -0700 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA32652; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:46:15 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:46:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Nuke Redmond (was: {blank}) In-Reply-To: <199710010014.RAA03707@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 134 On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, The Chazman wrote: > Consider the possibility of setting up an international "Nuke Redmond" > donation fund. It would collect donations from people around the world who > wanted to see Redmond nuked, and when it had collected enough money, would > execute the task. Consider all the people around the world who would > donate money to such a fund. Assume an average donation of $20 per person, > a modest amount easily spared by almost anyone who'd have strong enough > feelings on the subject to actually make the donation. What percentage of > said donor base do you think would actually have to make the donation before > the fund could carry out its chartered task? I could probably get us a warhead at discount from Russia. :) On a different note: Let us presume a photocop takes a picture of a car running a red light. A violation is sent to the owner of the car. But it wasn't the owner of the car that was driving at the time. It is obvious from the pic that it wasn't the owner behind the wheel. The procedure to deal with this is to go down to the police station and have them clear that the person on the pic is not the owner. The catch is the cops say you must give up who the person in the pic is. If you don't the violation stays on your record. Does anybody know anything about this? How can they give you points for a violation it is clear from the pic you did not commit. Also what if you tell them the person driving is a friend of yours from outside the US who is long gone now. They keep asking for the person's name, license #, etc and keep threatening it will go on the owner's record with points unless the owner gives it up. Does anybody know where I could look up some info on this? No, this has nothing to do with me. :) I don't run red lights. Not the onces with cameras anyway... Mark "Seen Peacemaker.... :)" ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD You couldn't get a clue during the marka@bonzo.org clue mating season in a field full http://www.bonzo.org/~marka of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.-Edward Flaherty From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Sep 30 17:12:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA23202 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:12:39 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA12148 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:10:39 -0700 Received: from devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (devastator.extern.ucsd.edu [199.105.3.50]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA12144 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:10:31 -0700 Received: (from chaz@localhost) by devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (8.8.7/8.7.5) id RAA03707 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:14:32 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:14:32 -0700 From: The Chazman Message-Id: <199710010014.RAA03707@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Nuke Redmond (was: {blank}) Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 135 Reza had a flash of wisdom: > > someone needs to nuke redmond > I've been saying that for years. Here's an interesting thought experiment: Consider the possibility of setting up an international "Nuke Redmond" donation fund. It would collect donations from people around the world who wanted to see Redmond nuked, and when it had collected enough money, would execute the task. Consider all the people around the world who would donate money to such a fund. Assume an average donation of $20 per person, a modest amount easily spared by almost anyone who'd have strong enough feelings on the subject to actually make the donation. What percentage of said donor base do you think would actually have to make the donation before the fund could carry out its chartered task? ----Carl From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Sep 30 02:00:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id CAA00333 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:00:44 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA05609 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:05:48 -0700 Received: from hubbub.cisco.com (mailgate-sj-1.cisco.com [198.92.30.31]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA05605 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:05:46 -0700 Received: from reza.cisco.com (reza.cisco.com [171.68.205.111]) by hubbub.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id SAA17159; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA21804; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709300107.SAA21804@reza.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org cc: hehe@cisco.com X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-URL: http://www.majornet.com/~reza Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:07:19 -0700 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 136 http://www.news.com/Rumors/0%2C29%2C%2C00.html?nd someone needs to nuke redmond i wonder if paul hangs out there ;) Reza From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Sep 30 02:00:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id CAA00337 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:00:46 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA05046 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:04:13 -0700 Received: from dragonlair.dal.net (dragonlair.dal.net [132.249.66.211]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA05042 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:04:10 -0700 Received: (from dalvenja@localhost) by dragonlair.dal.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA13222 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:04:05 -0700 From: Dalvenjah FoxFire Message-Id: <199709292304.QAA13222@dragonlair.dal.net> Subject: FYI: Warren network outage last weekend.. To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:04:04 -0700 (PDT) X-URL: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 137 If any of you are in Warren and are wondering what happened to the network Friday, apparently someone managed to send 120V+ down an ethernet cable and blew up (yes, blew up) the cat5000 that serves Warren. I'm not sure if that's exactly what happened, but somehow line power went down the wrong lead and the box went kaboom. I think they've fixed it. }:> -dalvenjah -- Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) Stupid people shouldn't breed. Founder, the DALnet IRC Network e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Sep 26 17:17:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA32192 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:17:12 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA03843 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:16:07 -0700 Received: from daver.UUCP (Udaver@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with UUCP id RAA03795 for talk-ucsd; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:10:08 -0700 Received: from mail.san.rr.com(really [204.210.0.1]) by daver.bungi.com via sendmail with esmtp id for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:02:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) Received: from jim-serio.san.rr.com (dt8h5n87.san.rr.com [204.210.26.135]) by mail.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA13121 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970926170212.006c4ba8@rollercoaster.com> X-Sender: jim@rollercoaster.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:02:12 -0700 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org From: Jim Serio Subject: Student Flyers (Spam) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 138 Is it me, or has the student flyers become way more used this year? So far I've gotton about 25 messages when that's about all I got all last year! It seems that anyone can just send the message and have it approved ;-( Jim -- Jim Serio jim@rollercoaster.com (PGP Key ID: 0xE5E9F23E) World of Coasters - http://www.rollercoaster.com The Web's Premier Coaster Site! From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Sep 26 16:56:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA31660 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:56:29 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA03681 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:55:12 -0700 Received: from sdcc6.ucsd.edu (sdcc6.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.6]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA03677 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:55:09 -0700 Received: from localhost (mholmber@localhost) by sdcc6.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA15864 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:55:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Holmberg To: talk list Subject: Re: beer bash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 139 Hi Bevan! You are in Mathews E-10 ...ehhh ? I guess that makes us neighbors 'cause I an in Mathews E-9 !!!!!! If you guys ever have some good looking girls over your place, be sure to go down stairs and let us know ! bye bye Mark On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, Bevan Schroeder wrote: > You are cordially invited to the > Bevan -n- Jeff Raging Kegger (*) > > Date: Tuesday the mmphth of mmmfrtber (a few days from now) > Time: Between when the sun goes down and when it comes back up (or earlier) > Place: Matthews E-10 > What: These two dudes are, like, turning 21 and junk, and they wanna > par-tee like the wild types they are. Therefore, they're gonna buy at > least 1.5 liters of soda, cook some grey slimey stuff, and maybe even rent > a movie, and you're gonna come over and pick your nose! The perfect way > to prepare for the 21st century! > > Bring: sex toys, lubrication, and stuff that makes smoke, fire, and/or noise > > (*) keg-o-laughs, that is. Or maybe one of those kegs full of monkeys. > > Q: "Can I invite my friends?" > A: Sure, but why the heck would you want to do that? There's no beer, > remember... You're actually going to come over? Wheee! > > > -bevan > > The author of this message is not responsible for any loss of fun > resulting from its use or misuse. > > > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Sep 25 23:45:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA05918 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:45:28 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id XAA30098 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:43:22 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA30094 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:43:19 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id XAA06624 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:43:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: interesting... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 140 On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Mark Ayzenshteyn wrote: > Shahmat is how you would say checkmate in Russian. :) unsurprisingly, checkmate, in Turkish, is also: Sah Mat ' (the S has a cedilla on it, which makes it pronounced "sh") There's no dispute about 'shah' meaning king (or some form of royalty), but I think Reza was questioning 'Mat' as opposed to Mord... it may be like old Farsi or something... the same thing happens in Turkish (hell, and English), when 'old Turkish' words mutate into their common-day forms. Whoever gave the explanation about the German version, and how it's close to the english one, is prolly right on the money... -Taner From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Sep 25 21:11:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA02068 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:11:21 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id VAA28999 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:09:58 -0700 Received: from bonzo.org (bonzo.znet.com [207.167.66.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA28995 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:09:52 -0700 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA09343; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:09:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:09:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: interesting... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 141 On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 allan@carhart.com wrote: > I was hoping there was someone out there who had knowledge to 'yey' or 'ney' > claims in that -- Okay, so if 'Shat Mat' doesn't mean 'the king is dead' > what does it mean? > And how would you say (write in roman letters) "the king is dead"? Just a sidenote: Shahmat is how you would say checkmate in Russian. :) Mark ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD, Windows Tech for ACS-UCSD marka@bonzo.org zz1ma@sdcc3.ucsd.edu Web Page: http://www-acs.ucsd.edu/home-pages/zz1ma "The First Amendment was designed to protect offensive speech, because nobody ever tries to ban the other kind." - Mike Godwin, staff counsel, EFF From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Sep 25 20:54:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA01616 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:54:27 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id UAA28868 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:53:03 -0700 Received: from carhart.com (carhart.com [206.14.125.169]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA28861 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:52:59 -0700 From: allan@carhart.com Received: from localhost (allan@localhost) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with SMTP id UAA01587 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:53:20 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:53:20 -0700 (PDT) To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: interesting... In-Reply-To: <199709252026.NAA03002@dragonlair.dal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 142 > I'm sitting at one of the new ultras destined for the uape lab, though - > i love having netscape start up right quick. }:> So that sort of outweighs > the disadvantage of it being freezing cold in here. Ouch...I missed Ultras in uApe by that much? Oh well, that 100M link to the e3329 lab was cool! :-) --Allan "Wabi ain't half bad on an Ultra" From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Sep 25 15:11:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA25714 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:11:18 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA26857 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:09:28 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA26853 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:09:24 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id PAA28789 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:09:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: interesting... In-Reply-To: <199709252026.NAA03002@dragonlair.dal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 143 On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Dalvenjah FoxFire wrote: > Heh. It's wet and cold here. }:> wet and cold? lordy.. it's been ~90 degrees the last couple of days... of course, I'm inside in the AC all the time, so... -Taner From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Sep 25 14:05:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA24008 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:05:39 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA26398 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:03:04 -0700 Received: from pry.com (pry.com [204.62.130.100]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA26391 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:03:00 -0700 Received: (qmail 29470 invoked by uid 501); 25 Sep 1997 21:03:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:03:20 +0200 From: Dan Haskovec To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: interesting... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 144 Heh, I'm in eastern Germany right (Jena to be exact), and the weather is beautiful here too. Well, it would be, except that it's dark right now. ;-) -d. "Oktoberfest next week" On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Philipp Teschner wrote: > > Well, there is a hurricane off the coast of Baja just waiting to hit > you. If you look at a weather map you can see the outskirts of the > storm covering San Diego. > > The predicted path is to the East of San Diego (way East). > > Of course up here in Seattle the weather is beautiful and sunny (this > is probably one of the only times I can gloat about good weather). > > Phil > > On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Dalvenjah FoxFire wrote: > > > Reza Naima put this into my mailbox: > > > > > > p.s. i'm in wisconsin now, and the weather is actually half decent. > > > > Heh. It's wet and cold here. }:> > > > > Or maybe it just seems that way..I'm sitting in the UCSD computer room waiting > > for a couple of 8mm tapes to erase; it's on par with the time it takes > > to erase a QIC tape }:P. I'm also bored, which is partly why I'm writing > > this meaningless message. Cold air is blowing up out of the floor with > > gale force, and I'm considering going upstairs to get my coat. > > > > I'm sitting at one of the new ultras destined for the uape lab, though - > > i love having netscape start up right quick. }:> So that sort of outweighs > > the disadvantage of it being freezing cold in here. > > > > -dalvenjah > > > > -- > > Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) "Never mess with a dragon, for you are > > Founder, the DALnet IRC Network crunchy, and taste good with ketchup." > > > > e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ > > whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/ > > > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Sep 25 13:29:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA23101 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:29:12 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA26137 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:26:54 -0700 Received: from dragonlair.dal.net (dragonlair.dal.net [132.249.66.211]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA26133 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:26:51 -0700 Received: (from dalvenja@localhost) by dragonlair.dal.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03002 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:26:51 -0700 From: Dalvenjah FoxFire Message-Id: <199709252026.NAA03002@dragonlair.dal.net> Subject: Re: interesting... To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:26:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199709251906.MAA23799@reza.cisco.com> from "Reza Naima" at Sep 25, 97 12:06:03 pm X-URL: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 145 Reza Naima put this into my mailbox: > > p.s. i'm in wisconsin now, and the weather is actually half decent. Heh. It's wet and cold here. }:> Or maybe it just seems that way..I'm sitting in the UCSD computer room waiting for a couple of 8mm tapes to erase; it's on par with the time it takes to erase a QIC tape }:P. I'm also bored, which is partly why I'm writing this meaningless message. Cold air is blowing up out of the floor with gale force, and I'm considering going upstairs to get my coat. I'm sitting at one of the new ultras destined for the uape lab, though - i love having netscape start up right quick. }:> So that sort of outweighs the disadvantage of it being freezing cold in here. -dalvenjah -- Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) "Never mess with a dragon, for you are Founder, the DALnet IRC Network crunchy, and taste good with ketchup." e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Sep 25 13:34:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA23237 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:34:14 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA26203 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:32:12 -0700 Received: from ns1.ad1440.net (ad1440.net [207.159.143.5]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA26199 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:32:09 -0700 Received: from localhost (philt@localhost) by ns1.ad1440.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id MAA22493 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:36:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ns1.ad1440.net: philt owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:36:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Philipp Teschner X-Sender: philt@ad1440.net To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: interesting... In-Reply-To: <199709252026.NAA03002@dragonlair.dal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 146 Well, there is a hurricane off the coast of Baja just waiting to hit you. If you look at a weather map you can see the outskirts of the storm covering San Diego. The predicted path is to the East of San Diego (way East). Of course up here in Seattle the weather is beautiful and sunny (this is probably one of the only times I can gloat about good weather). Phil On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Dalvenjah FoxFire wrote: > Reza Naima put this into my mailbox: > > > > p.s. i'm in wisconsin now, and the weather is actually half decent. > > Heh. It's wet and cold here. }:> > > Or maybe it just seems that way..I'm sitting in the UCSD computer room waiting > for a couple of 8mm tapes to erase; it's on par with the time it takes > to erase a QIC tape }:P. I'm also bored, which is partly why I'm writing > this meaningless message. Cold air is blowing up out of the floor with > gale force, and I'm considering going upstairs to get my coat. > > I'm sitting at one of the new ultras destined for the uape lab, though - > i love having netscape start up right quick. }:> So that sort of outweighs > the disadvantage of it being freezing cold in here. > > -dalvenjah > > -- > Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) "Never mess with a dragon, for you are > Founder, the DALnet IRC Network crunchy, and taste good with ketchup." > > e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ > whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/ > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Sep 25 12:30:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA21627 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:30:11 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id MAA25735 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:28:11 -0700 Received: from sdcc10.ucsd.edu (sdcc10.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.10]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA25731 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:28:07 -0700 Received: from localhost (jwieland@localhost) by sdcc10.ucsd.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA03586 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:28:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Wieland To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: House rejects backdoor requirement for encryption (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 147 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:00:01 -0700 (PDT) From: David Rees Reply-To: drees@ucsd.edu To: rc5@kidsat.ucsd.edu Subject: House rejects backdoor requirement for encryption Check this URL for the full story guys: http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9709/24/computer.encryption.reut/index.html -Dave From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Sep 25 12:08:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA21071 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:08:12 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id MAA25569 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:04:30 -0700 Received: from hubbub.cisco.com (mailgate-sj-1.cisco.com [198.92.30.31]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA25565 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:04:25 -0700 Received: from reza.cisco.com (reza.cisco.com [171.68.205.111]) by hubbub.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id MAA26770 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23799 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709251906.MAA23799@reza.cisco.com> To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: interesting... In-reply-to: hanani's message of Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:15:01 -0700. X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-url: http://www.majornet.com/~reza Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:06:03 -0700 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 148 alan, i have met you - at the stupid bowling event. Reza p.s. i'm in wisconsin now, and the weather is actually half decent. From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Sep 25 11:17:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA19779 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:17:28 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA25163 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:15:08 -0700 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA25159 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:15:02 -0700 Received: from localhost (hanani@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA28277 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:15:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Hani Anani To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: interesting... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 149 I don't speak persian, but I can speak arabic. A "Shah" in persian, is equal to having the title King, and "Mat" means dead in arabic, and I am sure it means the same in persian. Judging from the whaT Shah mat, I think there is a good possibility that is where checkmate came from. On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 allan@carhart.com wrote: > I was hoping there was someone out there who had knowledge to 'yey' or 'ney' > claims in that -- Okay, so if 'Shat Mat' doesn't mean 'the king is dead' > what does it mean? > And how would you say (write in roman letters) "the king is dead"? > > I dunno -- either way, check-->Shah seems to be a bit of a stretch. > > --Allan "Still waiting to meet Reza if he ever gets around to showing up at > a Taos event...." C. > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Sep 25 11:24:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA19967 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:24:43 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA25271 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:22:48 -0700 Received: from ns1.ad1440.net (ad1440.net [207.159.143.5]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA25267 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:22:46 -0700 Received: from localhost (philt@localhost) by ns1.ad1440.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id KAA21380 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:27:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ns1.ad1440.net: philt owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:27:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Philipp Teschner X-Sender: philt@ad1440.net To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: interesting... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 150 On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Philipp Teschner wrote: > Well, another interesting note is that the German equivalent of checkmate > is "Schach Matt" which is very similar to the arabic original. > > Phil Also, over time a lot of German words in the English language were mutated "ch" often became "ck" (when at the end of a word). "sch" in German is almost pronounced like the "ch" in check. Phil From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Sep 25 11:21:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA19889 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:21:08 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA25211 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:18:45 -0700 Received: from ns1.ad1440.net (ad1440.net [207.159.143.5]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA25207 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:18:21 -0700 Received: from localhost (philt@localhost) by ns1.ad1440.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id KAA21338 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:22:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ns1.ad1440.net: philt owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:22:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Philipp Teschner X-Sender: philt@ad1440.net To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: interesting... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 151 On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Hani Anani wrote: > I don't speak persian, but I can speak arabic. A "Shah" in > persian, is equal to having the title King, and "Mat" means dead in > arabic, and I am sure it means the same in persian. Judging from the whaT > Shah mat, I think there is a good possibility that is where checkmate came > from. Well, another interesting note is that the German equivalent of checkmate is "Schach Matt" which is very similar to the arabic original. Phil From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Sep 25 00:13:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA03252 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:13:51 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id AAA21299 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:12:09 -0700 Received: from carhart.com (carhart.com [206.14.125.169]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA21295 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:12:02 -0700 From: allan@carhart.com Received: from localhost (allan@localhost) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with SMTP id AAA03224 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:12:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:12:30 -0700 (PDT) To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: interesting... In-Reply-To: <199709240029.RAA00281@reza.cisco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 152 I was hoping there was someone out there who had knowledge to 'yey' or 'ney' claims in that -- Okay, so if 'Shat Mat' doesn't mean 'the king is dead' what does it mean? And how would you say (write in roman letters) "the king is dead"? I dunno -- either way, check-->Shah seems to be a bit of a stretch. --Allan "Still waiting to meet Reza if he ever gets around to showing up at a Taos event...." C. From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Sep 23 17:28:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA25693 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:28:21 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA10059 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:27:56 -0700 Received: from hubbub.cisco.com (mailgate-sj-1.cisco.com [198.92.30.31]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA10055 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:27:49 -0700 Received: from reza.cisco.com (reza.cisco.com [171.68.205.111]) by hubbub.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id RAA26441 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00281 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709240029.RAA00281@reza.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: interesting... In-reply-to: taner's message of Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:38:57 -0700. X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-url: http://www.majornet.com/~reza Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:29:15 -0700 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 153 > The word "Checkmate" in chess comes from the Persian phrase "Shah Mat," which > means "the king is dead". > NO! Shah = king, but Mordesh or Mord = Died or die, respectivly From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Sep 23 16:40:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA24464 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:39:49 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA09602 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:39:02 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA09595 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:38:57 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id QAA03086 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:38:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: UCSD Talk Subject: interesting... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 154 Just thought I'd send out something amusing... -Taner [-- Many forwards removed ---------------------------------------------] Some Interesting Factoids: Stewardesses and reverberated are the two longest words (12 letters each) that can be typed using only the left hand. The longest word that can be typed using only the right hand is lollipop. Skepticisms is the longest word that alternates hands. A duck's quack doesn't echo, and no one knows why. In the 1940s, the FCC assigned television's Channel 1 to mobile services (two-way radios in taxicabs, for instance) but did not re-number the other channel assignments. That is why your TV set has channels 2 and up, but no channel 1. A group of geese on the ground is a gaggle, a group of geese in the air is a skein. The underside of a horse's hoof is called a frog. The frog peels off several times a year with new growth. The San Francisco Cable cars are the only mobile National Monuments The "save" icon on Microsoft Word shows a floppy disk, with the shutter on backwards. The combination "ough" can be pronounced in nine different ways. The following sentence contains them all: "A rough-coated, dough-faced, thoughtful ploughman strode through the streets of Scarborough; after falling into a slough, he coughed and hiccoughed." The verb "cleave" is the only English word with two synonyms which are antonyms of each other: adhere and separate. The only 15 letter word that can be spelled without repeating a letter is uncopyrightable. Facetious and abstemious contain all the vowels in the correct order, as does arsenious, meaning "containing arsenic." The shape of plant collenchyma cells and the shape of the bubbles in beer foam are the same - they are orthotetrachidecahedrons. The word 'pound' is abbreviated 'lb.' after the constellation 'libra' because it means 'pound' in Latin, and also 'scales'. The abbreviation for the British Pound Sterling comes from the same source: it is an 'L' for Libra/Lb. with a stroke through it to indicate abbreviation. Sames goes for the Italian lira which uses the same abbreviation ('lira' coming from 'libra'). So British currency (before it went metric) was always quoted as "pounds/shillings/pence", abbreviated "L/s/d" (libra/solidus/denarius). Emus and kangaroos cannot walk backwards, and are on the Australian coat of arms for that reason. Cats have over one hundred vocal sounds, while dogs only have about ten. The word "Checkmate" in chess comes from the Persian phrase "Shah Mat," which means "the king is dead". Pinocchio is Italian for "pine head." Camel's milk does not curdle. In every episode of Seinfeld there is a Superman somewhere. An animal epidemic is called an epizootic. Murphy's Oil Soap is the chemical most commonly used to clean elephants. The United States has never lost a war in which mules were used. There were no squirrels on Nantucket Island, Massachusetts until 1989. Blueberry Jelly Bellies were created especially for Ronald Reagan. All porcupines float in water. Hang On Sloopy is the official rock song of Ohio. Did you know that there are coffee flavored PEZ? The world's largest wine cask is in Heidelberg, Germany. Lorne Greene had one of his nipples bitten off by an alligator while he was host of "Lorne Greene's Wild Kingdom." Cat's urine glows under a blacklight. If you bring a raccoon's head to the Henniker, New Hampshire town hall, you are entitled to receive $.10 from the town. St. Stephen is the patron saint of bricklayers. The first song played on Armed Forces Radio during operation Desert Shield was "Rock the Casba" by the Clash. The reason firehouses have circular stairways is from the days of yore when the engines were pulled by horses. The horses were stabled on the ground floor and figured out how to walk up straight staircases. Non-dairy creamer is flammable. The airplane Buddy Holly died in was the "American Pie." (Thus the name of the Don McLean song.) Texas is also the only state that is allowed to fly its state flag at the same height as the U.S. flag. The only nation who's name begins with an "A", but doesn't end in an "A" is Afghanistan. Pamela Anderson Lee is Canada's Centennial Baby, being the first baby born on the centennial anniversary of Canada's independence. The names of the three wise monkeys are: Mizaru: See no evil, Mikazaru: Hear no evil, and Mazaru: Speak no evil. The word for "dog" in the Australian aboriginal language Mbabaran happens to be "dog." When opossums are playing 'possum, they are not "playing." They actually pass out from sheer terror. The Main Library at Indiana University sinks over an inch every year because when it was built, engineers failed to take into account the weight of all the books that would occupy the building. "Toki doki kuruma de kayotte imasu" means "Sometimes I commute by car." in Japanese. All elephants walk on tip-toe, because the back portion of their foot is made up of all fat and no bone. Each king in a deck of playing cards represents a great king from history. Spades - King David, Clubs - Alexander the Great, Hearts - Charlemange, and Diamonds - Julius Caesar. From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Sep 22 17:38:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA22704 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:38:24 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA19321 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:37:01 -0700 Received: from devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (devastator.extern.ucsd.edu [199.105.3.50]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA19314 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:36:55 -0700 Received: (from chaz@localhost) by devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (8.8.7/8.7.5) id RAA27983; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:39:51 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:39:51 -0700 From: The Chazman Message-Id: <199709230039.RAA27983@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> To: crowd@go2net.com, talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Recipe search shows more than good taste (fwd) Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 155 Forwarded message: >From: "Krasnow, Greg" >Subject: FW: Alta Vista: What's going on over there? > >Search results 4&5 are very intriguing... > As is number 7.... Try it and see. And just how were you planning to serve your crema catalana, Ron? --------Carl > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Martin, Ron >> Subject: Alta Vista: What's going on over there? >> >> I was searching for a Crema Catalana recipe and used the following >> search on Alta Vista: >> >> recipe +crema +catalana >> >> This says: show me Crema Catalana recipes (the words crema and >> catalana are required in resulting documents). >> >> Try it and see what you find. >> >> Ron > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Sun Sep 21 10:34:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA08725 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:33:58 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA07200 for talk-ucsd-out; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:33:25 -0700 Received: (from atilghma@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA07193 for talk-ucsd; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:33:21 -0700 From: Adam Tilghman Message-Id: <199709211733.KAA07193@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org> Subject: MICROSOFT, PBS TEAM UP ON INTERACTIVE BARNEY To: talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 156 Am I the only one who thinks this is a perfect start to a cheesy minions-of-satan-coming-out-of-the-television horror flick? -- Adam MICROSOFT, PBS TEAM UP ON INTERACTIVE BARNEY SHOW Microsoft and PBS are collaborating on a series of "Barney & Friends" that will include a specially encoded signal that activates an interactive Barney doll. The signal is picked up by a Microsoft-made set-top receiver called ActiMates, which then relays it to the doll. The doll can then interact both with the show and with the child watching it. The shows are scheduled for broadcast beginning Nov. 3. (Investor's Business Daily 19 Sep 97) From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Sat Sep 20 14:50:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA12013 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:50:34 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA32698 for talk-ucsd-out; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:50:11 -0700 Received: from maxx.foo.net (dt1h6na8.san.rr.com [204.210.17.168]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA32694 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:50:08 -0700 Received: (qmail 333 invoked from network); 20 Sep 1997 14:49:45 -0700 Received: from localhost (bevan@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Sep 1997 14:49:45 -0700 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:49:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bevan Schroeder X-Sender: bevan@maxx.foo.net To: talk list Subject: beer bash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 157 You are cordially invited to the Bevan -n- Jeff Raging Kegger (*) Date: Tuesday the mmphth of mmmfrtber (a few days from now) Time: Between when the sun goes down and when it comes back up (or earlier) Place: Matthews E-10 What: These two dudes are, like, turning 21 and junk, and they wanna par-tee like the wild types they are. Therefore, they're gonna buy at least 1.5 liters of soda, cook some grey slimey stuff, and maybe even rent a movie, and you're gonna come over and pick your nose! The perfect way to prepare for the 21st century! Bring: sex toys, lubrication, and stuff that makes smoke, fire, and/or noise (*) keg-o-laughs, that is. Or maybe one of those kegs full of monkeys. Q: "Can I invite my friends?" A: Sure, but why the heck would you want to do that? There's no beer, remember... You're actually going to come over? Wheee! -bevan The author of this message is not responsible for any loss of fun resulting from its use or misuse. From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Sep 19 13:38:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA06321 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:38:32 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA23235 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:37:34 -0700 Received: from dragonlair.dal.net (dt6h3n07.san.rr.com [204.210.37.7]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA23221; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:37:25 -0700 Received: (from dalvenja@localhost) by dragonlair.dal.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA08012; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:37:23 -0700 From: Dalvenjah FoxFire Message-Id: <199709192037.NAA08012@dragonlair.dal.net> Subject: [zz1wc@sdcc12.ucsd.edu: Positions open posting in ACS Microsuppport (fwd)] To: talk-ucsd@mib.org, cs-ucsd@mib.org Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:37:23 -0700 (PDT) X-URL: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 158 FYI: Four student jobs just opened with ACS Microsupport. If your big goal in life is to work for ACS upgrading and installing Macs and PCs, this job's for you. }:> (It's for you even if you're just looking for something to do while here at UCSD. }:> ) -Sven ----begin message from Wilson Cheung----- If any of you have friends who are really good with Macintosh and/or PCs (especially PCs -- Windows NT/95/3.x/DOS stuff) or if any of you want to try and switch to doing more MicroSupport-specific stuff, Mike just sent the below listed job posting out. ----- Forwarded message from mike stark ----- >From list-relay@UCSD.Edu Thu Sep 18 16:09:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.ucsd.edu (smtp.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.49]) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26569; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [132.239.50.25] (sdcc25.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.25]) by smtp.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA26577; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:00:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: zz1ms@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Message-Id: To: managers@UCSD.Edu, pc@UCSD.Edu, macintosh@UCSD.Edu From: mike stark Subject: Positions open posting in ACS Microsuppport If you know of likely candidates, or are one, please let me know. I apologize ahead of time if you get multiple copies. Job Description: ACS Microsupport student consultants (4 openings) Under general supervision, assist senior support staff with microcomputer lab configuration and operation in locations all over the UCSD campus. Provide hardware and software support through the Rent-A-Tech program to users throughout the UCSD campus. This includes hardware configuration of PC and Macintosh equipment, printers, networks and associated peripherals such as scanners and storage devices. Also included is modifying server based prototype configurations used to restore the lab workstations. Types of assistance provided include network configuration and user troubleshooting, coordinating network connections with network operations on behalf of Rent-A-Tech customers, installing software provided from ACS software distribution. Additionally providing information to insure proper licensing of software installed including occasional acting on behalf of the customer in acquiring right to use licenses. Provide one on one training in use of computers, software and network conectivity. Assist with preparation of online help, training and information signs, handouts and other user documentation that may be used by User Services or Network Operations. May be required to implement scripts and shell applications in Batshell, Applescript, or other scripting languages. Requirements: Ability to work on assigned tasks with minimal supervision with numerous interruptions. Familiarity with computers running Macintosh OS, MS/DOS, Windows NT, Windows 3.xx or 95. Experience using appletalk, NetBEUI, TCP/IP. Excellent phone and interpersonal skills required. Must be able to work during the hours of 8:00 and 4:30 PM Monday - Friday. Hours outside this schedule may occasionally be required. There will be a minium of 8-12 hours of scheduled lab support time in these positions. Additional hours up to a maximum of 20 hours a week may come from Rent-A-Tech jobs. The positions are expected to be filled at the CRS-1 position level (Computer Resource Specialist). For additional information email micros@ucsd.edu or call mike stark at 534-4060. Mike Stark U.C. San Diego, Academic Computing Services Manager of Microsupport, (Mac & PC), Rent-A-Tech, & Software Distribution Voice (619) 534-4060 fax (619) 534-7018 internet: mstark@ucsd.edu Rent-A-Tech@ucsd.edu (619) 822-0047 ----- End of forwarded message from mike stark ----- -- Wilson Cheung Microcomputer Support Student Consultant zz1wc@sdcc12.ucsd.edu UCSD Academic Computing Services (ACS) wcheung@ucsd.edu micros@ucsd.edu | (619) 534-4060 | AP&M 1260 Wilson Cheung -- Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) "Never mess with a dragon, for you are Founder, the DALnet IRC Network crunchy, and taste good with ketchup." e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Sep 19 11:31:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA03079 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:31:32 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA22401 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:27:57 -0700 Received: from rollercoaster.com (dt8h5n8c.san.rr.com [204.210.26.140]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA22397 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:27:53 -0700 Received: (from jim@localhost) by rollercoaster.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA10147 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:25:07 -0700 From: Jim Serio Message-Id: <199709191825.LAA10147@rollercoaster.com> Subject: ID card - Update! To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 159 As for Bobby's question...I work at BFS network Services. We maintain the network for many departments including the Cashier's and Bursar's office. I was at the Bursar's yesterday when one of the financial officers told me about the problem. I called back today and spoke with somone in the ID department and aparently the ATT guys fixed the problem last night and started printing the freshman cards. A memo from Howard Fisher (the Bursar) states that *all* the cards should be distributed by mid to late October, but since not all departments have the magnetic readers, there will still be stickers on the card. The back has a mag strip and 2 boxes for stickers as well as an ATT calling card #. Plus, there's a small UPC symbol. The entire front is a picture of the library with your name and ID at the top left and a color photo of you at the bottom right. I am told the "revelle re-carding event" will take place this Sat to next Thur although they are concentrating on freshman and those w/out cards (cause they gotta eat ;-). That's pretty much it. I am told that the Winter 98 was a *very* conservative date and we should all get cards by the end of Oct. Jim From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Sep 19 11:01:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA02279 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:01:02 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA22218 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:00:33 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA22214 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:00:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id LAA03093 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:00:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: no ID cards this fall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 160 On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Bobby Kleemann wrote: > On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Jim Serio wrote: > > > Well, no new ID cards this Fall for us. Apparently, > > ATT (who wrote teh software and sold us the hardware) > > messed up bigtime and printed the SSN on each card, who freaking cares if their SSN is on the card... jesus... yeah, yeah I know... anyway... > querry and perhaps an output field? Also, why are they gonna trash the > bad cards? They should hand out whatever they have with an absolute > promise to update them in the winter. It is still a broken promise, but > it is still several steps farther in the right direction... I was wondering the same thing... > 15,000 mins = 250 hours = 10.5 days > So working 12 hours a day, they could get us the cards by the end > of October. Can't they just let the damn thing run overnight? :-) > > make matters worse for incoming students, they are > > not handing out new (or old) ID cards. They have to > > goto the Registrar's off, get a print out of their > > schedule and then get the sticker from teh Cashier's. > > imagine going to RIMAC or checking out your library > > book with your print out! that's nothing. What the fuck about mean plans? How are they going to deal with that? Do they really have acouple thousand of those temporary cards to hand out? Maybe I'm just extra-bent 'cuz my bro is going to be a freshman there, and to have to deal with this type of bullshit from the very start is pretty lame... -Taner From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Sep 19 10:52:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA02015 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:51:54 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA22117 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:51:20 -0700 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA22113 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:51:18 -0700 Received: from localhost (rkleeman@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06329; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:51:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Kleemann To: Jim Serio cc: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: no ID cards this fall In-Reply-To: <199709191717.KAA09801@rollercoaster.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 161 On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Jim Serio wrote: > Well, no new ID cards this Fall for us. Apparently, > ATT (who wrote teh software and sold us the hardware) > messed up bigtime and printed the SSN on each card, > so to resolve the problem, they flew in 2 techs from > ATT in an effort to update the database to print > the A## on each card. I'm told the system costs > $150,000 and the card is an ATT calling card as well. > The techs have been there for 2 weeks with no success. What kind of techs are these? I dont know the school's system that well, but I cant imagine it being much harder than changing a DB querry and perhaps an output field? Also, why are they gonna trash the bad cards? They should hand out whatever they have with an absolute promise to update them in the winter. It is still a broken promise, but it is still several steps farther in the right direction... > The cards take 30 seconds to print and they have to print > ~30K. 15,000 mins = 250 hours = 10.5 days So working 12 hours a day, they could get us the cards by the end of October. > I'm told we won't get them till Winter 98. To > make matters worse for incoming students, they are > not handing out new (or old) ID cards. They have to > goto the Registrar's off, get a print out of their > schedule and then get the sticker from teh Cashier's. > imagine going to RIMAC or checking out your library > book with your print out! Ok, we all knew that the administration was pretty much braindead, but this is absolutely ridiculous. I distinctly remember Guardian articles stating the school would have the entire system set up for students and we would be taking photographs LAST FALL! It sure would be nice if the University did what it promised instead of doing what it pleases. BTW Jim, where did you get this info? How reliable is it? _ _ _ Bobby Kleemann http://sdcc17.ucsd.edu/~rkleeman/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Sep 19 10:22:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA01262 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:22:13 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA21847 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:20:40 -0700 Received: from rollercoaster.com (dt8h5n8c.san.rr.com [204.210.26.140]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA21843 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:20:37 -0700 Received: (from jim@localhost) by rollercoaster.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA09801 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:17:52 -0700 From: Jim Serio Message-Id: <199709191717.KAA09801@rollercoaster.com> Subject: no ID cards this fall To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 162 Well, no new ID cards this Fall for us. Apparently, ATT (who wrote teh software and sold us the hardware) messed up bigtime and printed the SSN on each card, so to resolve the problem, they flew in 2 techs from ATT in an effort to update the database to print the A## on each card. I'm told the system costs $150,000 and the card is an ATT calling card as well. The techs have been there for 2 weeks with no success. Those of you ineterested in the cool equipment they brought with them can take a look at the Bursar's office (left of front entrance - conference room). The cards take 30 seconds to print and they have to print ~30K. I'm told we won't get them till Winter 98. To make matters worse for incoming students, they are not handing out new (or old) ID cards. They have to goto the Registrar's off, get a print out of their schedule and then get the sticker from teh Cashier's. imaging going to RIMAC or checking out your library book with your print out! Jim From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Sep 15 19:45:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA31300 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:45:50 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id TAA22113 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:41:20 -0700 Received: from dragonlair.dal.net (dt6h3n07.san.rr.com [204.210.37.7]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA22109 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:41:16 -0700 Received: (from dalvenja@localhost) by dragonlair.dal.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA30456 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:41:15 -0700 From: Dalvenjah FoxFire Message-Id: <199709160241.TAA30456@dragonlair.dal.net> Subject: Re: heh To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:41:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Taner Halicioglu" at Sep 15, 97 04:31:16 pm X-URL: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 163 Taner Halicioglu put this into my mailbox: > > taner@coredump:~ >f halicioglu@ucsd.edu > [ucsd.edu] > No mailname matches 'halicioglu' exactly. > Similar names: > Name Department Phone# Mailname@UCSD.EDU > -------------------------|--------------------|--------|--------------------| > Halicioglu, Daniel T Computer Science (ask me) dhalicioglu [taner] > Halicioglu, Noah Nedim Communications nhalicioglu [nedim] > > > yes, that's my brother, no he's not a computer nerd like me ;-) I'm > actually heading down to SD this coming weekend (20th thru 22nd) to help > him move in and stuff ;-) Anyone gonna be around? Whoa. Cool. Yeah }:> Except I think I'll only be free Saturday... -dalvenjah -- Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) "It brought me a Mr. Potato Head, Founder, the DALnet IRC Network Scully. It knew that I wanted a Mr. Potato Head!" e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/ From taner@isi.net Mon Sep 15 19:26:45 1997 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:31:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org To: UCSD Talk Subject: heh Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 164 taner@coredump:~ >f halicioglu@ucsd.edu [ucsd.edu] No mailname matches 'halicioglu' exactly. Similar names: Name Department Phone# Mailname@UCSD.EDU -------------------------|--------------------|--------|--------------------| Halicioglu, Daniel T Computer Science (ask me) dhalicioglu [taner] Halicioglu, Noah Nedim Communications nhalicioglu [nedim] yes, that's my brother, no he's not a computer nerd like me ;-) I'm actually heading down to SD this coming weekend (20th thru 22nd) to help him move in and stuff ;-) Anyone gonna be around? -Taner From rnaima@cisco.com Mon Sep 15 19:26:45 1997 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:30:42 -0700 From: Reza Naima Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: cox@home (fwd) Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 165 Bitch ass. Do I have to come over and kick your ass again taner? -rez > Wow, really? :-) > > -Taner > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:06:26 -0700 > From: Reza Naima > Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org > To: talk-ucsd@mib.org > Subject: Re: cox@home > > From taner@isi.net Mon Sep 15 19:26:45 1997 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:12:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org To: UCSD Talk Subject: Re: cox@home (fwd) Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 166 Wow, really? :-) -Taner ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:06:26 -0700 From: Reza Naima Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: cox@home From rnaima@cisco.com Mon Sep 15 19:26:45 1997 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:06:26 -0700 From: Reza Naima Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: cox@home Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 167 From rnaima@cisco.com Mon Sep 15 19:26:45 1997 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:05:33 -0700 From: Reza Naima Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: ramble on Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 168 All I have to say is that I really don't like marimba and I would be _very_ happy to see them go under. -Reza > I thought I would never see that day when 62 megs of ram(SIMMS+swap) > would not be enough to run a simple X app. I finally got jdk1.1.1 for > linux and installed the castanet tuner. It was fun for the first 10 > seconds or though. I went to go2vision's channel and looked around. I > clicked on the customize button. The tunner and the channel froze. free > would core dump. I finally got top to run I realized what the problem was. > All of memory was being used up by this java app. Arg. It wasn't doing > anyhing useful, just showing a couple of tickers. Then I kill java and > restarted the tunner. This time I went to talk.com & talked to some girl > in Puerto Rico (or so she said.) About 10 minutes into it the tunner > froze again. It managed to eat up all of my RAM again. I really don't see > the point in all of this tunner technology. If you want channels turn a > TV on dammit :) If you want to talk to people on the net use IRC. It > only take a couple of hundred K and offers all of the features of Java > chat clients. > > I am done rambling now... > > Mark "I hate to think how much ram the NT version of castanet needs..." > > ========================================================================== > Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD, Windows Tech for ACS-UCSD > marka@bonzo.org zz1ma@sdcc3.ucsd.edu > Web Page: http://www-acs.ucsd.edu/home-pages/zz1ma > "The First Amendment was designed to protect offensive speech, because nobody > ever tries to ban the other kind." - Mike Godwin, staff counsel, EFF > > > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Sep 15 03:10:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA00358 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 03:10:48 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA03332 for talk-ucsd-out; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:16:11 -0700 Received: from dragonlair.dal.net (dt6h3n07.san.rr.com [204.210.37.7]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA03328 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:16:06 -0700 Received: (from dalvenja@localhost) by dragonlair.dal.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA16795 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:16:05 -0700 From: Dalvenjah FoxFire Message-Id: <199709132116.OAA16795@dragonlair.dal.net> Subject: Re: cox@home To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:16:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Mark Ayzenshteyn" at Sep 12, 97 03:59:07 pm X-URL: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 169 Mark Ayzenshteyn put this into my mailbox: > > Well its official. For those of you waiting for your cox cable modem you > will have to deal with DHCP. My boss at ACS just got cox@home and they are > making her use a dhcp login. > > Don't fret though we still get T3(s) out of San Diego which is alot better > then those T1s RR has. Yes, but RR has a 4M link to SDSC/CERF (which translates to UCSD). So school stuff is speeeedy. And of course, the IP tunnel I've got set up (which only adds ~30ms latency) gives me a whole static, DNS'ed subnet of my own along with really nice connectivity to the rest of the world. }:> -dalvenjah -- Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) When news breaks...we fix it. Founder, the DALnet IRC Network e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Sep 15 03:10:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA00361 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 03:10:52 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id MAA02762 for talk-ucsd-out; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:35:54 -0700 Received: from bonzo.org (bonzo.znet.com [207.167.66.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA02758 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:35:50 -0700 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA10631; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:37:46 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:37:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: Talk-UCSD Subject: ramble on Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 170 I thought I would never see that day when 62 megs of ram(SIMMS+swap) would not be enough to run a simple X app. I finally got jdk1.1.1 for linux and installed the castanet tuner. It was fun for the first 10 seconds or though. I went to go2vision's channel and looked around. I clicked on the customize button. The tunner and the channel froze. free would core dump. I finally got top to run I realized what the problem was. All of memory was being used up by this java app. Arg. It wasn't doing anyhing useful, just showing a couple of tickers. Then I kill java and restarted the tunner. This time I went to talk.com & talked to some girl in Puerto Rico (or so she said.) About 10 minutes into it the tunner froze again. It managed to eat up all of my RAM again. I really don't see the point in all of this tunner technology. If you want channels turn a TV on dammit :) If you want to talk to people on the net use IRC. It only take a couple of hundred K and offers all of the features of Java chat clients. I am done rambling now... Mark "I hate to think how much ram the NT version of castanet needs..." ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD, Windows Tech for ACS-UCSD marka@bonzo.org zz1ma@sdcc3.ucsd.edu Web Page: http://www-acs.ucsd.edu/home-pages/zz1ma "The First Amendment was designed to protect offensive speech, because nobody ever tries to ban the other kind." - Mike Godwin, staff counsel, EFF From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Sep 15 03:11:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA00366 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 03:10:58 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id BAA32011 for talk-ucsd-out; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:28:05 -0700 Received: from rollercoaster.com (dt8h5n8c.san.rr.com [204.210.26.140]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA32007 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:28:02 -0700 Received: (from jim@localhost) by rollercoaster.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA28930 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:25:42 -0700 From: Jim Serio Message-Id: <199709130825.BAA28930@rollercoaster.com> Subject: Re: cox@home To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:25:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Taner Halicioglu" at Sep 12, 97 10:42:19 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 171 > Hmm... I have a friend that works at @home, and they have a freaking fast > connection: Yeah it's fast! But I'm just saying that @Home has had its share of problems as well, and I heard this outage was a biggie! > I don't know how "dynamic" those IP's are... I think once they get > assigned, they stay with you... I'll ask her about the specifics, tho... They are dynamic, but I hear the lease never expires, so yeah, you technically have a static IP although it's not guaranteed. Jim From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Sep 15 03:11:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA00385 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 03:11:02 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id WAA31137 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:42:24 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA31133 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:42:20 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id WAA03290 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:42:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: cox@home In-Reply-To: <199709122307.QAA26291@rollercoaster.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 172 On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Jim Serio wrote: > yes, but did you hear that @Home was down all last weekend (or was it > the week b4?) Either way, as most of us here are RR users, I'm pretty > happy with my speed. Ever since the last upgrade, I'm consistently > getting 50-100KB/s on most FTP transfers and you've seen how fast the > web loads Mark ;-) Hmm... I have a friend that works at @home, and they have a freaking fast connection: traceroute to malignant.lump.net (24.1.16.105), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 fe5-1.cr3.NUQ.globalcenter.net (205.216.146.75) 0.623 ms 0.552 ms 0.500 ms 2 pos1-0.br4.SJC.globalcenter.net (206.251.0.38) 1.832 ms 1.534 ms 1.357 ms 3 bb.mae-w.home.net (198.32.136.70) 3.740 ms 3.814 ms 3.414 ms 4 172.16.4.2 (172.16.4.2) 4.579 ms 4.422 ms 5.224 ms 5 r2-fe0-0-100bt.rdc1.sfba.home.net (24.0.0.3) 4.458 ms 4.358 ms 5.604 ms 6 10.0.255.10 (10.0.255.10) 5.407 ms 4.541 ms 13.380 ms 7 malignant.lump.net (24.1.16.105) 6.091 ms * 5.870 ms I don't know how "dynamic" those IP's are... I think once they get assigned, they stay with you... I'll ask her about the specifics, tho... -Taner From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Sep 15 03:11:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA00395 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 03:11:06 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA28692 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:09:41 -0700 Received: from rollercoaster.com (dt8h5n8c.san.rr.com [204.210.26.140]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA28688 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:09:39 -0700 Received: (from jim@localhost) by rollercoaster.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA26291 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:07:19 -0700 From: Jim Serio Message-Id: <199709122307.QAA26291@rollercoaster.com> Subject: Re: cox@home To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:07:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Mark Ayzenshteyn" at Sep 12, 97 03:59:07 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 173 > Well its official. For those of you waiting for your cox cable modem you > will have to deal with DHCP. My boss at ACS just got cox@home and they are > making her use a dhcp login. As far as I know, they've always used DHCP. The guy next to me at work has it. 1 and I mean only *ONE* Ip is allotted to you. They will fix that next year but their pretty anal about it. he was even going to get a second modem (for his roomate) and they refused to do that. > Don't fret though we still get T3(s) out of San Diego which is alot better > then those T1s RR has. yes, but did you hear that @Home was down all last weekend (or was it the week b4?) Either way, as most of us here are RR users, I'm pretty happy with my speed. Ever since the last upgrade, I'm consistently getting 50-100KB/s on most FTP transfers and you've seen how fast the web loads Mark ;-) > Mark "cox is moving east. They are wiring up hilcrest as we speak :)" Yes, I but I hear those poor sould in El Cajan will have a long wait! ;-) Jim From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Sep 15 03:11:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA00409 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 03:11:14 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA28598 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:57:05 -0700 Received: from bonzo.org (bonzo.znet.com [207.167.66.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA28594 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:57:01 -0700 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA07158; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:59:07 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:59:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: Talk-UCSD Subject: cox@home Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 174 Well its official. For those of you waiting for your cox cable modem you will have to deal with DHCP. My boss at ACS just got cox@home and they are making her use a dhcp login. Don't fret though we still get T3(s) out of San Diego which is alot better then those T1s RR has. Mark "cox is moving east. They are wiring up hilcrest as we speak :)" ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD, Windows Tech for ACS-UCSD marka@bonzo.org zz1ma@sdcc3.ucsd.edu Web Page: http://www-acs.ucsd.edu/home-pages/zz1ma "The First Amendment was designed to protect offensive speech, because nobody ever tries to ban the other kind." - Mike Godwin, staff counsel, EFF From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Sep 15 03:11:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA00416 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 03:11:18 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by dt6h2n25 (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA11541 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:51:48 -0700 Received: from daver.UUCP (Udaver@localhost) by dt6h2n25 (8.8.5/8.8.4) with UUCP id SAA11303 for talk-ucsd; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:42:50 -0700 Received: from hubbub.cisco.com(really [198.92.30.31]) by daver.bungi.com via sendmail with esmtp id for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:20:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) Received: from reza.cisco.com (reza.cisco.com [171.68.205.111]) by hubbub.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id OAA26969; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01417; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709102120.OAA01417@reza.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: baposse@quadrunner.com, talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: beer X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-URL: http://www.majornet.com/~reza Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:20:14 -0700 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 175 There's a big conference of beer producers in the most beautiful town in the world - Amsterdam, the Netherlands... At the end of the day, all of the presidents of all beer companies decide to have a drink in a bar. The president of Budweiser orders a Bud, the president of Miller orders a Miller Lite, Adolph Coors orders a Coors and the list goes on... Then the waitress asks Arthur Guinness what he wants to drink, and much to everybody's amazement, Mr. Guinness orders a Coke! "Why don't you order a Guinness?" his colleagues ask... "Naah. If you guys won't drink beer, then neither will I." From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Sep 15 03:11:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA00420 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 03:11:23 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA08361 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:44:55 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA08357 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:44:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id LAA08984 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:44:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: UCSD Talk Subject: BoS: CDT Policy Post 3.13 - New FBI Crypto Bill To Force Key Recovery (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 176 More info... -Taner ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:18:09 -0400 From: Jonah Seiger To: best-of-security@cyber.com.au Subject: BoS: CDT Policy Post 3.13 - New FBI Crypto Bill To Force Key Recovery Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 03:30:12 +1000 (EST) Resent-From: best-of-security@cyber.com.au ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _____ _____ _______ / ____| __ \__ __| ____ ___ ____ __ | | | | | | | | / __ \____ / (_)______ __ / __ \____ _____/ /_ | | | | | | | | / /_/ / __ \/ / / ___/ / / / / /_/ / __ \/ ___/ __/ | |____| |__| | | | / ____/ /_/ / / / /__/ /_/ / / ____/ /_/ (__ ) /_ \_____|_____/ |_| /_/ \____/_/_/\___/\__, / /_/ \____/____/\__/ The Center for Democracy and Technology /____/ Volume 3, Number 13 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A briefing on public policy issues affecting civil liberties online ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CDT POLICY POST Volume 3, Number 13 September 8, 1997 CONTENTS: (1) New FBI Draft Crypto Bill Would Force Mandatory Key Recovery (2) Text of FBI Proposal (3) What You Can Do (4) How to Subscribe/Unsubscribe (5) About CDT, contacting us ** This document may be redistributed freely with this banner intact ** Excerpts may be re-posted with permission of ** This document looks best when viewed in COURIER font ** _____________________________________________________________________________ (1) NEW FBI DRAFT ENCRYPTION LEGISLATION WOULD IMPOSE MANDATORY KEY RECOVERY In its most audacious crypto proposal yet, the FBI is circulating on Capitol Hill legislation to impose full domestic controls on the manufacture and use of encryption. The FBI is seeking support for its proposal among two crucial House Committees preparing to consider encryption legislation this week. The text of the key section of the FBI draft is attached below. The FBI draft would take two extraordinary steps. It would prohibit the manufacture, sale, import or distribution within the United States of any encryption product unless it contains a feature that would create a spare key or some other trap door allowing "immediate" decryption of any user's messages or files without the user's knowledge. In addition, it would require all network service providers that offer encryption products or services to their customers to ensure that all messages using such encryption can be immediately decrypted without the knowledge of the customer. This would apply to telephone companies and to online service providers such as America Online and Prodigy. In the FBI draft, the "key recovery capability" could be activated by the purchaser or end user. But requiring that such a capability be installed in all domestic communications networks and encryption products would be the critical step in enabling a national surveillance infrastructure. The proposal requires the Attorney General to set standards for what are and are not acceptable encryption products. The proposal's requirement of "immediate" decryption would seem to seriously limit the options available to encryption manufacturers seeking approval of their products. While export of encryption products from the United States has long been restricted, there have never been controls on the manufacture, distribution, or use of encryption within the United States. Pending before the House Intelligence and National Security Committees is the Security and Freedom through Encryption Act (SAFE, HR 695), sponsored by Rep. Goodlatte (R-VA), which would lift current export controls on encryption technology. The Goodlatte bill has already been reported favorably by the House Judiciary and International Relations Committees. The House National Security Committee is scheduled to consider HR 695 on Tuesday, September 9. The House Intelligence Committee has scheduled its vote for September 11. Members of both committees are expected to consider the FBI draft as a substitute to the SAFE bill. This FBI proposal represents a major turn-around for the Clinton Administration, which has denied since its first year that it was seeking domestic controls on encryption. The FBI proposal is an attempted end run around the Constitution. By creating an avenue for immediate access to sensitive decryption keys without the knowledge of the user, the proposal denies users the notice that is a central element of the Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable searches and seizures. Just this past April, the Supreme Court reaffirmed that the Fourth Amendment normally requires the government to advise the target of a search and seizure that the search is being conducted. Forcing U.S. citizens and companies to adopt so-called key recovery systems poses serious security risks, especially when the systems can be accessed without the knowledge of the users. A recent study by 11 cryptography and computer security experts concluded that such key recovery systems would be costly and ultimately insecure (see http://www.crypto.com/key_study) CDT executive director Jerry Berman said of the latest proposal, "This is not the first step towards the surveillance society. It *is* the surveillance society." ______________________________________________________________________________ (2) TEXT OF MANDATORY KEY RECOVERY SECTION OF FBI DRAFT LEGISLATION (From FBI "Technical Assistance Draft" Dated August 28, 1997) SEC. 105. PUBLIC ENCRYPTION PRODUCTS AND SERVICES (a) As of January 1, 1999, public network service providers offering encryption products or encryption services shall ensure that such products or services enable the immediate decryption of communications or electronic information encrypted by such products or services on the public network, upon receipt of a court order, warrant, or certification, pursuant to section 106, without the knowledge or cooperation of the person using such encryption products or services. (b) As of January 1, 1999, it shall be unlawful for any person to manufacture for sale or distribution within the U.S., distribute within the U.S., sell within the U.S., or import into the U.S. any product that can be used to encrypt communications or electronic information, unless that product - (1) includes features, such as key recovery, trusted third party compatibility or other means, that (A) permit immediate decryption upon receipt of decryption information by an authorized party without the knowledge or cooperation of the person using such encryption product; and (B) is either enabled at the time of manufacture, distribution, sale, or import, or may be enabled by the purchaser or end user; or (2) can be used only on systems or networks that include features, such as key recovery, trusted third party compatibility or other means, that permit immediate decryption by an authorized party without the knowledge or cooperation of the person using such encryption product. (c) (1) Within 180 days of the enactment of this Act, the Attorney General shall publish in the Federal Register functional criteria for complying with the decryption requirements set forth in this section. (2) Within 180 days of the enactment of this Act, the Attorney General shall promulgate procedures by which data network service providers and encryption product manufacturers, sellers, re-sellers, distributors, and importers may obtain advisory opinions as to whether a decryption method will meet the requirements of this section. (3) Nothing in this Act or any other law shall be construed as requiring the implementation of any particular decryption method in order to satisfy the requirements of paragraphs (a) or (b) of this section. ______________________________________________________________________________ (3) WHAT YOU CAN I DO TO HELP? Are you concerned about protecting privacy and security in the information age? Curious what your Member of Congress thinks about the issue? Adopt Your Legislator! Visit http://www.crypto.com/adopt for details You will recieve customized alerts with news you can use, inlcuding the latest information on internet-related issues, the views of your Representative and Senators, and contact information to help you ensure your voice is heard in the ongoing debate over the future of the Information Age. Visit http://www.cdt.org/crypto or http://www.crypto.com/ for detailed background information on the encryption policy reform debate, including the text of various legislative proposals, analysis, and other information. _____________________________________________________________________________ (4) SUBSCRIPTION INFORMATION Be sure you are up to date on the latest public policy issues affecting civil liberties online and how they will affect you! Subscribe to the CDT Policy Post news distribution list. CDT Policy Posts, the regular news publication of the Center For Democracy and Technology, are received by more than 13,000 Internet users, industry leaders, policy makers and activists, and have become the leading source for information about critical free speech and privacy issues affecting the Internet and other interactive communications media. To subscribe to CDT's Policy Post list, send mail to policy-posts-request@cdt.org with a subject: subscribe policy-posts If you ever wish to remove yourself from the list, send mail to the above address with a subject of: unsubscribe policy-posts _____________________________________________________________________________ (5) ABOUT THE CENTER FOR DEMOCRACY AND TECHNOLOGY/CONTACTING US The Center for Democracy and Technology is a non-profit public interest organization based in Washington, DC. The Center's mission is to develop and advocate public policies that advance democratic values and constitutional civil liberties in new computer and communications technologies. Contacting us: General information: info@cdt.org World Wide Web: URL:http://www.cdt.org/ FTP URL:ftp://ftp.cdt.org/pub/cdt/ Snail Mail: The Center for Democracy and Technology 1634 Eye Street NW * Suite 1100 * Washington, DC 20006 (v) +1.202.637.9800 * (f) +1.202.637.0968 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End Policy Post 3.13 09/08/97 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Sep 8 18:08:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA08955 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:08:34 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA25252 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:03:57 -0700 Received: from mail.ucsd.edu (ucsd.ucsd.edu [132.239.254.201]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA25248 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:03:53 -0700 Received: by mail.ucsd.edu; id SAA05981 sendmail 8.8.5/UCSD8.3 via SMTP Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:03:50 -0700 (PDT) for Message-ID: <34149FDA.60B2@ucsd.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 03:01:14 +0200 From: Russell Gulman X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: MS-Dinner References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 177 Taner Halicioglu wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Bobby Kleemann wrote: > > > If you have a Mac oven, insert the dinner and press start. The oven will > > set itself and cook the dinner. > > yeah, but if you have the smallest voltage spike (say, from 110 to 111 > VAC), or or sneeze doing the cooking, the oven will completely vaporize > your meal and reset itself without ever considering recovering... > > :-D > > -Taner "no, I don't like Macs -- yes, I've used them a lot" If this occurrs during preperation of MS-Dinner, one should then proceed to remove the OLE (OdorLess Edema) ingredients from the package. Microsoft claims these ingredients will improve productivity and performance of your oven, but instead usually prevents the oven from cooking the dinner at all (claiming insufficient OLE resources), or causing "vaporization" if you try to cook two MS-Dinner meals at the same time. Most Mac-oven chefs recommend other brands. And for those skilled enough to cook up solutions to Dinner Compatability, they exist. -Russell "yes, I know Macs -- yes, its been my job to" From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Sep 8 16:50:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA07042 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:50:35 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA24560 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:45:58 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA24556 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:45:55 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id QAA15342 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:45:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: Talk List Subject: Re: MS-Dinner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 178 On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Bobby Kleemann wrote: > If you have a Mac oven, insert the dinner and press start. The oven will > set itself and cook the dinner. yeah, but if you have the smallest voltage spike (say, from 110 to 111 VAC), or or sneeze doing the cooking, the oven will completely vaporize your meal and reset itself without ever considering recovering... :-D -Taner "no, I don't like Macs -- yes, I've used them a lot" From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Sep 8 12:40:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA00621 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:40:11 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id MAA22784 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:35:34 -0700 Received: from hubbub.cisco.com (mailgate-sj-1.cisco.com [198.92.30.31]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA22780 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:35:31 -0700 Received: from reza.cisco.com (reza.cisco.com [171.68.205.111]) by hubbub.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id MAA06093 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19400 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709081936.MAA19400@reza.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: HUMOR: Latest lingo from Silicon Valley (fwd) In-reply-to: allan's message of Mon, 08 Sep 1997 03:19:10 -0700. X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-url: http://www.majornet.com/~reza Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 12:36:40 -0700 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 179 > > "going postal": Totally stressed out and losing it like postal employees > > who went on shooting rampages > > Now, this is scary. I actually heard this phrase used on Friday. > Except the context would give rise to a definition like: > > "going postal": freaking out when loosing one's job, and seeking revenge > against the employer > Some postal dude did go on a shooting spree awhile ago. Reza > Sigh. I certainly hope the others were just a joke! :-) > > --Allan > allan@carhart.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Maybe we'll be lucky, and Prince Charles will die too." > -- Brandon Sulser > > Pager/Voicemail: 415-253-1522 > Alphanumeric Page: page-allan@carhart.com > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Sep 8 12:44:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from delivery.dal.net (delivery.dal.net [208.1.222.224]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA00733 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:44:30 -0700 Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by delivery.dal.net (8.8.5/DALnet) with ESMTP id MAA23386 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:25:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org X-Envelope-To: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id MAA22687 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:20:40 -0700 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA22683 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:20:36 -0700 Received: from localhost (rkleeman@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18669 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:20:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Kleemann To: Talk List Subject: MS-Dinner Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 180 MICROSOFT TV DINNER PRODUCT INSERT You must first remove the plastic cover. By doing so you agree to accept and honor Microsoft rights to all TV dinners. You may not give anyone else a bite of your dinner (which would constitute an infringement of Microsoft's rights). You may, however, let others smell and look atyour dinner and are encouraged to tell them how good it is. If you have a PC microwave oven, insert the dinner into the oven. Set the oven using these keystrokes: <\mstv.dinn.//08.5min@50%heat//> Then enter: . If you have a Mac oven, insert the dinner and press start. The oven will set itself and cook the dinner. If you have a Unix oven, insert the dinner, enter the ingredients of the dinner (found on the package label), the weight of the dinner, and the desired level of cooking and press start. The oven will calculate the time and heat and cook the diner exactly to your specification. Be forewarned that Microsoft dinners may crash, in which case your oven must be restarted. This is a simple procedure. Remove the dinner from the oven and enter: ms.nodamn.good/tryagain\again/again.crap>. This process may have to be repeated. Try unplugging the microwave and then doing a cold reboot. If this doesn't work, contact your hardware vendor. Many users have reported that the dinner tray is far too big, larger than the dinner itself, having many useless compartments, most of which are empty. These are for future menu items. If the tray is too large to fit in your oven you will need to upgrade your equipment. Dinners are only available from registered outlets, and only the chicken variety is currently produced. If you want another variety, call MicrosoftHelp and they will explain that you really don't want another variety. Microsoft Chicken is all you really need. Microsoft has disclosed plans to discontinue all smaller versions of their chicken dinners. Future releases will only be in the larger family size. Excess chicken may be stored for future use, but must be saved only in Microsoft approved packaging. Microsoft promises a dessert with every dinner after '98. However, that version has yet to be released. Users have permission to get thrilled in advance. Microsoft dinners may be incompatible with other dinners in the freezer, causing your freezer to self-defrost. This is a feature, not a bug. Your freezer probably should have been defrosted anyway. From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Sep 8 03:23:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA01271 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 03:23:11 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id DAA19387 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 03:18:49 -0700 Received: from carhart.com (carhart.com [206.14.125.169]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id DAA19383 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 03:18:44 -0700 From: allan@carhart.com Received: from localhost (allan@localhost) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with SMTP id DAA01161 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 03:19:10 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 03:19:10 -0700 (PDT) To: Talk List Subject: Re: HUMOR: Latest lingo from Silicon Valley (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 181 > "going postal": Totally stressed out and losing it like postal employees > who went on shooting rampages Now, this is scary. I actually heard this phrase used on Friday. Except the context would give rise to a definition like: "going postal": freaking out when loosing one's job, and seeking revenge against the employer Sigh. I certainly hope the others were just a joke! :-) --Allan allan@carhart.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Maybe we'll be lucky, and Prince Charles will die too." -- Brandon Sulser Pager/Voicemail: 415-253-1522 Alphanumeric Page: page-allan@carhart.com From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Sep 5 14:37:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA22327 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:37:45 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA30285 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:36:13 -0700 Received: from hubbub.cisco.com (mailgate-sj-1.cisco.com [198.92.30.31]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA30281 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:36:10 -0700 Received: from reza.cisco.com (reza.cisco.com [171.68.205.111]) by hubbub.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id OAA02555 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28530 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709052137.OAA28530@reza.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: FBI calls for mandatory key escrow; Denning on export ctrls (fwd) In-reply-to: allan's message of Fri, 05 Sep 1997 01:02:39 -0700. X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-url: http://www.majornet.com/~reza Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:37:14 -0700 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 182 allan@carhart.com said: > Just today, my brother and I were discussing NT's "SMS" and wondering > if 1984/Big Brother is finally hear. you would be surprised at the number of big companies requiring all users to have sms running. Reza From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Sep 5 08:44:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id IAA13245 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:44:00 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id IAA27811 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:42:37 -0700 Received: from devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (devastator.extern.ucsd.edu [199.105.3.50]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA27807 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:42:33 -0700 Received: (from chaz@localhost) by devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (8.8.7/8.7.5) id IAA16494 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:46:46 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:46:46 -0700 From: The Chazman Message-Id: <199709051546.IAA16494@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: FBI calls for mandatory key escrow; Denning on export ctrls (fwd) Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 183 Allan mused: > > I always thought "Tobacco, Alcohol, and Firearms" was a bizarre combination, > but I'm be damned if "Technology, Terrorism, and Government information" > isn't the craziest combination yet! Why not just toss in "Witchcraft" > and call it "the things the government fears, and government information." > Does this strike anybody else as odd? > Why separate billing for the last one? Doesn't the government fear government information most of all? :-) But yes, I agree, that committee's areas of focus seem hand-picked to provide maximum Orwellian tendencies. ------Carl From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Sep 5 01:03:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id BAA01064 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:03:54 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id BAA25099 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:02:25 -0700 Received: from carhart.com (carhart.com [206.14.125.169]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA25095 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:02:19 -0700 From: allan@carhart.com Received: from localhost (allan@localhost) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with SMTP id BAA00996 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:02:39 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:02:39 -0700 (PDT) To: UCSD Talk Subject: Re: FBI calls for mandatory key escrow; Denning on export ctrls (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 184 > (R-Arizona), chair of the Judiciary subcommittee on > technology, terrorism, and government information. I always thought "Tobacco, Alcohol, and Firearms" was a bizarre combination, but I'm be damned if "Technology, Terrorism, and Government information" isn't the craziest combination yet! Why not just toss in "Witchcraft" and call it "the things the government fears, and government information." Does this strike anybody else as odd? So how does this differ from the concept behind the Clipper Chip? Just today, my brother and I were discussing NT's "SMS" and wondering if 1984/Big Brother is finally hear. Sigh. --Allan From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Sep 3 16:50:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA15036 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:49:59 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA09343 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:48:33 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA09335 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:48:29 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id QAA22103 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:48:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: UCSD Talk Subject: FBI calls for mandatory key escrow; Denning on export ctrls (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 185 I'll be dammed. -Taner ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:50:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Declan McCullagh To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: FBI calls for mandatory key escrow; Denning on export ctrls I don't usually send crypto-stuff to nanog, but folks here might want to check out the second graf. --Declan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 14:13:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh To: cypherpunks@toad.com Subject: FBI calls for mandatory key escrow; Denning on export ctrls WASHINGTON, DC -- All encryption products sold or distributed in the U.S. must have a key escrow backdoor "like an airbag in a car," law enforcement agents advised a Senate panel this afternoon. FBI Director Louis Freeh also told a Senate Judiciary subcommittee that "network service providers should be required to have some immediate decryption ability available" permitting agents to readily descramble encrypted messages that pass through their system. This marks the most aggressive push to date for mandatory domestic key escrow (or "key recovery"), which means someone else other than the recipient can decipher messages you send out. Now, the easiest way to win such a political tussle in Washington is to control the terms of the debate. And nobody understands that rule better than Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Arizona), chair of the Judiciary subcommittee on technology, terrorism, and government information. Kyl opened today's hearing not by saying its purpose was to discuss crypto in a balanced manner, but that he wanted "to explore how encryption is affecting the way we deal with criminals, terrorists, and the security needs of business." Then he talked at length about "criminals and terrorists" using crypto, and child pornographers "using encryption to hide pornographic images of children that they transmit across the Internet." Kyl also stacked the three panels. Out of seven witnesses, five were current or former law enforcement agents. No privacy or civil liberties advocates testified. Some companies including FedEx apparently dropped out when told they'd have to pay lip service to key escrow if they wanted to speak. Dorothy Denning, a Georgetown University professor of computer science, did testify. Kyl made a point of asking her if she still supported key escrow systems (two recent articles by Will Rodger and Simson Garfinkel said she was changing her mind). "I think key recovery offers a very attractive approach," Denning said. What about export controls? "In the absence of any controls, the problem for law enforcement would get worse," she replied. But when Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif) asked if Denning would support a *mandatory* key escrow system, the computer scientist said she wouldn't. "No, because we don't have a lot of experience we key recovery systems... a lot of people are legitimately nervous." (Keep in mind that although Feinstein supposedly represents Silicon Valley, she's no friend of high tech firms. She opposes lifting export controls; in fact, she says that "nothing other than some form of mandatory key recovery really does the job" of preventing crime. Of course, Feinstein doesn't have a clue. She talks about whether businesses would want "a hard key or digital key or a key infrastructure." Yes, folks, this is in fact meaningless blather.) Marc Rotenberg, director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington, DC, says, "Simply stated, the Senate train is headed in the wrong direction. But of course this doesn't answer the question of what will ultimately be resolved by Congress? There's a very popular measure in the House right now that's heading in a different direction." Rotenberg is talking about Rep. Bob Goodlatte's SAFE bill, which is much more pro-business than S.909, the McCain-Kerrey Senate bill that Kyl supports. Now, S.909 doesn't mandate key recovery; it only strongly encourages it by wielding the federal government's purchasing power to jumpstart a key recovery infrastructure. But Kyl would go further. At a recent Heritage Foundation roundtable on encryption, I asked him, "Why not make key recovery technology mandatory -- after all, terrorists, drug kingpins and other criminals won't use it otherwise." Kyl's response? Not that it would be a violation of the Constitution's due process and search and seizure protections. Instead, he told me he simply didn't have enough votes... -Declan (Email me for info on the DC cypherpunks party this Saturday!) From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Sep 3 16:17:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA14245 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:17:32 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA09150 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:15:57 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA09146 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:15:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id QAA21653; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:15:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: UCSD Talk , Bay Area Posse Subject: toll free (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 186 BAHAHAHAH!@#!# Try calling it ;-) -Taner ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 14:36:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Sanjay Ranchod [...] Subject: toll free I don't know if anyone else has heard about this one: CNN recently set up a toll-free comment line, with the easy-to-remember # (800)TALK-CNN. A mistake was made by the advertisers, though, who printed the # as (800)CNN-TALK. CNN is most upset at the mixup. Call to see why... it's free. From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Sep 2 21:00:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA17935 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:00:41 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id MAA31660 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:42:07 -0700 Received: from hubbub.cisco.com (mailgate-sj-1.cisco.com [198.92.30.31]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA31656 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:42:03 -0700 Received: from reza.cisco.com (reza.cisco.com [171.68.205.111]) by hubbub.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.GATE.1.1) with ESMTP id MAA14125 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reza.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reza.cisco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23295 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709021942.MAA23295@reza.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Platez In-reply-to: taner's message of Sun, 31 Aug 1997 17:58:33 -0700. X-Face: 1,FTkDqE`=)o)tpJ[BC7-PYIWc{/=}_MN&1WMRqTeJ#)&}ag^WpPS{\$('2n(hf(-CaHo.t sVM%k(0uWc/Q!Cobn'LYuWG{fL8("OsF!0GS.W$bHz[uiGa530i@#}ag(fI*g9hw2%G} ,usBY=VxJ/t*LYzu2.y[WdyV"P[y/L^um,h X-url: http://www.majornet.com/~reza Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 12:42:58 -0700 From: Reza Naima Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 187 dorky nerd. ;) reza > HEH! > > I was cruising back home on 101 just now and saw a dark green Integra > (newish - like '96 or somehting) with the plates: > > UIDZERO (half space between them) > > So I had to zip past them, and they caught a glimpse of my plates > (SIGSEGV) and persued... heh... that was pretty cool... > > GEEKS UNITE! :-D > > -Taner > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Sep 2 10:07:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA09924 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 10:07:17 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA30586 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 10:02:49 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA30582 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 10:02:45 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id KAA22901 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 10:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 10:02:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Platez (and Tickets) (And Insurance) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 188 On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 allan@carhart.com wrote: > Ewww! AAA, yuck. I've heard they're among the worst at agreeing to pay > out settlements when an accident does occur. Did your accident cost them > anything? Or was it the other guy's fault, etc.? No idea... I just called claims and whined a while and the lady said "ok" or something.. heh... I rear-ended someone else (no damage to the other car)... and AAA paid $2000 of my repairs with no complaint. I still pay only $940 a year... *shrug* -Taner From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Sep 2 02:08:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id CAA29863 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 02:08:27 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id CAA27721 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 02:04:12 -0700 Received: from carhart.com (carhart.com [206.14.125.169]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id CAA27717 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 02:04:02 -0700 From: allan@carhart.com Received: from localhost (allan@localhost) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with SMTP id CAA29708 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 02:04:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 02:04:00 -0700 (PDT) To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Platez (and Tickets) (And Insurance) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 189 > Actually, something that blew me away was that my insurance didn't change > one bit from my speeding ticket -- OR my accident! And I just recently > renewed my insurance (after both things had occurred). > > Weird... AAA must like me ;-) Ewww! AAA, yuck. I've heard they're among the worst at agreeing to pay out settlements when an accident does occur. Did your accident cost them anything? Or was it the other guy's fault, etc.? --Allan "Still have yet to learn all the joys of driving" From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Sep 1 12:08:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA07040 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:08:11 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id MAA22560 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:04:34 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA22555 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:04:31 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id MAA10304 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:04:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Platez (and Tickets) In-Reply-To: <199709011900.MAA13609@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 190 On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, The Chazman wrote: > So next time you get caught with your shorts down after 17 months and > 3 weeks, give him a call. Maybe he can help keep your insurance company's > vacuum cleaners away from your wallet. Actually, something that blew me away was that my insurance didn't change one bit from my speeding ticket -- OR my accident! And I just recently renewed my insurance (after both things had occurred). Weird... AAA must like me ;-) -Taner From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Sep 1 12:02:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA06886 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:02:47 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA22456 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 11:58:53 -0700 Received: from devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (devastator.extern.ucsd.edu [199.105.3.50]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA22452 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 11:58:47 -0700 Received: (from chaz@localhost) by devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (8.8.7/8.7.5) id MAA13609 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:00:10 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:00:10 -0700 From: The Chazman Message-Id: <199709011900.MAA13609@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Platez (and Tickets) Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 191 Taner: > > I was cruising back home on 101 just now and saw a dark green Integra > (newish - like '96 or somehting) with the plates: > > UIDZERO (half space between them) > > So I had to zip past them, and they caught a glimpse of my plates > (SIGSEGV) and persued... heh... that was pretty cool... > Cool! I haven't seen that guy running around University City with license CORDUMP since I got my car; I was kinda hoping to do something similar. On a semi-related topic, we were talking of tickets and radar detectors and traffic schools and the like some time back. So here's an update on my saga of speed. I went to the Improv traffic school for my first ticket (85 on the freeway -- well, more like 91, but he wrote me up for 85). It was pretty good. The instructor -- Jason Austell -- was cool, kept us entertained, and didn't preach too much. In fact, he taught us a thing or two about getting out of future tickets. Plus VIP passes to the Improv -- not a bad bonus. So after class, I told him about my second ticket (that I had one anyway, not that it was for 61 in a 35 on Sunset in LA). And he gave me a contact that y'all might find useful, so I'm passing it on. There's one lawyer in San Diego county that does nothing but traffic tickets. He handles over a thousand of them a year, and his fee is usually much less than the price of the ticket. His office hours are in the evening, too, making it easy to stop in after work: Mitchell J. Mehdy (Mr. Ticket) 3740 El Cajon Boulevard San Diego, CA 92105 (619) 563-1515 He's guided me through the intracacies of fighting the second one. So far, I've asked for a trial by declaration (mail in a written statement, officer has to write a statement, judge reads both and decides), sent in my statement, lost, and asked for a court trial. I haven't gotten the date for it yet. So next time you get caught with your shorts down after 17 months and 3 weeks, give him a call. Maybe he can help keep your insurance company's vacuum cleaners away from your wallet. -----Carl From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Sun Aug 31 18:02:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA12929 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 18:01:58 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA16171 for talk-ucsd-out; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 17:58:38 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA16167 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 17:58:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id RAA02528 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 17:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 17:58:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: UCSD Talk Subject: Platez Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 192 HEH! I was cruising back home on 101 just now and saw a dark green Integra (newish - like '96 or somehting) with the plates: UIDZERO (half space between them) So I had to zip past them, and they caught a glimpse of my plates (SIGSEGV) and persued... heh... that was pretty cool... GEEKS UNITE! :-D -Taner From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Sun Aug 31 00:09:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA17580 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 00:09:54 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id AAA09494 for talk-ucsd-out; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 00:07:05 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA09487 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 00:07:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id AAA24945; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 00:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 00:06:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: UCSD Talk , Bay Area Posse Subject: Gullible (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 193 pahaha... -Taner ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Gullible A freshman at Eagle Rock Junior High won first prize at the Greater Idaho Falls Science Fair, April 26. He was attempting to show how conditioned we have become to the alarmists practicing junk science and spreading fear of everything in our environment. In his project he urged people to sign a petition demanding strict control or total elimination of the chemical "dihydrogen monoxide." And for plenty of good reasons, since: 1. it can cause excessive sweating and vomiting 2. it is a major component in acid rain 3. it can cause severe burns in its gaseous state 4. accidental inhalation can kill you 5. it contributes to erosion 6. it decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes 7. it has been found in tumors of terminal cancer patients He asked 50 people if they supported a ban of the chemical dihydrogen monoxide. Forty-three said yes, six were undecided, and only one knew that the chemical is more commonly called "water." The title of his prize winning project was, "How Gullible Are We?" The conclusion is obvious. From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Aug 26 09:51:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA02425 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:51:27 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id JAA00750 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:49:56 -0700 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA00746 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:49:52 -0700 Received: from localhost (rkleeman@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA11974 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:49:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Kleemann To: Talk List Subject: High School vs College (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 194 High School Vs College ---------------------- 25. In high school, you do homework. In college, you study. 24. No food is allowed in the hall in high school. In college, food must be provided at an event before students will come. 23. In high school, you wear your backpack on one shoulder; in college, on both. 22. In college, the professors can tell you the answer without looking at the teacher's guide. 21. In college, there are no bells or tardy slips. 20. In high school, you have to live with your parents. In college, you get to live with your friends. 19. In college, you don't have to wait in a certain lunch line to be cool. 18. Only nerds e-mailed in high school. (Cool kids hadn't heard of it.) 17. In high school, you're told what classes to take. In college, you get to choose; that is, as long as the classes don't conflict and you have the prerequisites and the classes aren't closed and you've paid your tuition. 16. In high school, if you screw up you can usually sweet-talk your way out of it. In college, you're lucky to ever talk with the professor. 15. In high school, fire drills are planned by the administration; in college, by the drunk frat boys on their way home when the bars close. 14. In college, any test consists of a larger percentage of your grade than your high school final exams ever did. 13. In high school, when the teacher said, "Good morning," you mumbled back. In college, when the professor says, "Good morning," you write it down. 12. In high school, freshman guys hit on senior girls. In college, senior guys hit on freshman girls. 11. In college, weekends start on Thursday. 10. In college, it's much more difficult to figure out the course schedule of the man/woman you have a crush on, in order to figure out where he/she will be walking around campus and at what time to find them there. 9. Once you've obtained the information described in #10, it's much more time-consuming to run between classes to that place where you know he/she will be in order to "just happen to bump into him/her." 8. In college, there's no one to tell you not to eat pizza three meals a day. 7. In college, your dad doesn't pay for dates. 6. In high school, it never took 3 or 4 weeks to get money from Mom and Dad. 5. College men are cuter than high school boys. 4. College women are legal. 3. In college, when you miss a class (or two or three), you don't need a note from your parents saying you were skip....uh, sick that day. 2. In high school, you can't go out to lunch because it's not allowed. In college, you can't go out to lunch because you can't afford it. 1. In college, you can blow off studying by writing lists like this. From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Aug 25 22:39:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA17444 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:39:15 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id WAA29232 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:37:58 -0700 Received: from bonzo.org (bonzo.znet.com [207.167.66.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA29228 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:37:53 -0700 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA04525; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:40:45 -0700 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:40:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: Talk-UCSD Subject: GDE systems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 195 Hi all, If anyone has ever worked/interned for GDE systems in Rancho Bernardo please e-mail me and tell me what you think of them. Thanks Mark "The offer isn't as sweet as I thought it was..." ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD, Windows Tech for ACS-UCSD marka@bonzo.org zz1ma@sdcc3.ucsd.edu Web Page: http://www-acs.ucsd.edu/home-pages/zz1ma "The First Amendment was designed to protect offensive speech, because nobody ever tries to ban the other kind." - Mike Godwin, staff counsel, EFF From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Aug 18 11:16:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA02082 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:16:53 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA27921 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:12:13 -0700 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA27917 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:12:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (rkleeman@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA08196 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:12:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Kleemann To: Talk List Subject: Mac-rosoft (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 196 For the Mac enthusiasts out there _ _ _ Bobby Kleemann http://sdcc17.ucsd.edu/~rkleeman/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- TOP TEN REASONS WHY MICROSOFT INVESTED MILLION$ IN APPLE 10. Bill Gates found spare change in his trousers 9. First and last month's rent on empty office space in Cupertino 8. Fee: Steve Jobs to give charisma lessons to Microsoft CEO 7. Two words: Rhapsody 98 6. Small price to pay for world domination 5. Bill to Larry: I own you now, too 4. Jobs and Woz threw in a signed Apple I as part of the deal 3. Best way to assure Gates a starring role in next Pixar animated feature 2. Easier than bribing entire Justice Department And the number one reasons why Microsoft invested millions in Apple: 1. Strategic move: Apple users now hate Jobs more than Gates From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Sun Aug 17 19:46:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA04076 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:46:36 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id TAA22290 for talk-ucsd-out; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:40:20 -0700 Received: from bonzo.org (bonzo.znet.com [207.167.66.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA22286 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:40:14 -0700 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA03705; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:41:49 -0700 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:41:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Frys in LA? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 197 The Fry's situation in LA is pathetic (Now tha bar situation on the other hand...). There are only three fry's stores and they are all on the outskirts of town. We had to drive to woodland hills just to get to one. On the other hand it was the first time I talked to a salesman who didn't try to convince me he just worked 80 hours this week to purchase the very item we were looking at. Mark On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Bevan Schroeder wrote: > There are many Fry's in LA. Have you tried yahoo yellow pages? It lets > you search by name or topic and gives results by how far they are from an > address, including driving directions :) > > -bevan, aka "He Who Owns a Dual PPro 150" > > On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Mark Ayzenshteyn wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Does anyone know if there any Frys stores in LA. The closer to north > > hollywood the better. If not what are some other good computer stores in > > that area? > > > > Thanks > > > > Mark > > > > > > ========================================================================== > > Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD, Windows Tech for ACS-UCSD > > marka@bonzo.org zz1ma@sdcc3.ucsd.edu > > Web Page: http://www-acs.ucsd.edu/home-pages/zz1ma > > "The First Amendment was designed to protect offensive speech, because nobody > > ever tries to ban the other kind." - Mike Godwin, staff counsel, EFF > > > > > > > ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD, Windows Tech for ACS-UCSD marka@bonzo.org zz1ma@sdcc3.ucsd.edu Web Page: http://www-acs.ucsd.edu/home-pages/zz1ma "The First Amendment was designed to protect offensive speech, because nobody ever tries to ban the other kind." - Mike Godwin, staff counsel, EFF From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Sat Aug 16 15:40:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA27795 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:40:46 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA12421 for talk-ucsd-out; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:35:43 -0700 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA12417 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:35:40 -0700 Received: from localhost (rkleeman@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA17241 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:35:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Kleemann To: Talk List Subject: Apartment Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 198 For anyone looking for a place to stay from Sept on, or for anyone looking for some roommate(s), please contact me ASAP. A good oportunity has just presented itself to me. My phone is 626-3520. _ _ _ Bobby Kleemann http://sdcc17.ucsd.edu/~rkleeman/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Aug 15 13:02:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA21030 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:02:32 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA29887 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:00:54 -0700 Received: from sdcc10.ucsd.edu (sdcc10.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.10]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA29883 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:00:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (bschroed@localhost) by sdcc10.ucsd.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA15630 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:00:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sdcc10.ucsd.edu: bschroed owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:00:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Bevan Schroeder To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: Frys in LA? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 199 There are many Fry's in LA. Have you tried yahoo yellow pages? It lets you search by name or topic and gives results by how far they are from an address, including driving directions :) -bevan, aka "He Who Owns a Dual PPro 150" On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Mark Ayzenshteyn wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know if there any Frys stores in LA. The closer to north > hollywood the better. If not what are some other good computer stores in > that area? > > Thanks > > Mark > > > ========================================================================== > Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD, Windows Tech for ACS-UCSD > marka@bonzo.org zz1ma@sdcc3.ucsd.edu > Web Page: http://www-acs.ucsd.edu/home-pages/zz1ma > "The First Amendment was designed to protect offensive speech, because nobody > ever tries to ban the other kind." - Mike Godwin, staff counsel, EFF > > > From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Aug 15 12:49:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA20699 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:49:48 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id MAA29743 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:48:10 -0700 Received: from bonzo.org (bonzo.znet.com [207.167.66.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA29738 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:48:06 -0700 Received: (from marka@localhost) by bonzo.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA03912; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:49:36 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:49:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Ayzenshteyn To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Frys in LA? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 200 Hi all, Does anyone know if there any Frys stores in LA. The closer to north hollywood the better. If not what are some other good computer stores in that area? Thanks Mark ========================================================================== Mark Ayzenshteyn CE Major at UCSD, Windows Tech for ACS-UCSD marka@bonzo.org zz1ma@sdcc3.ucsd.edu Web Page: http://www-acs.ucsd.edu/home-pages/zz1ma "The First Amendment was designed to protect offensive speech, because nobody ever tries to ban the other kind." - Mike Godwin, staff counsel, EFF From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Aug 6 19:34:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA08965 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:34:27 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id TAA18295 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:33:19 -0700 Received: from devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (devastator.extern.ucsd.edu [199.105.3.50]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA18291 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:33:14 -0700 Received: (from chaz@localhost) by devastator.extern.ucsd.edu (8.6.12/8.7.5) id TAA25115 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:34:00 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:34:00 -0700 From: The Chazman Message-Id: <199708070234.TAA25115@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu> To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: You know nothing happened when..... Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 201 OK, I would expect this out of a lame second-rate paper like the Union Trib., but this was the L.A. Times, for which I hold considerably more respect. I suppose it was just a really dull day for news. Check out the lower-left corner of the front page of today's L.A. Times. That's right, the article that spends nearly a quarter of a page to tell you that it was hot in Death Valley today. Front-page news, huh? -------Carl From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Mon Aug 4 17:21:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA30378 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:21:35 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA32623 for talk-ucsd-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:20:28 -0700 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA32619 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:20:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (rkleeman@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02193 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:20:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Kleemann To: Talk List Subject: Re: RR Meeting (aka Beer and Info) (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 202 This was posted in the RoadRunner newsgroup(s). For those of you with road runner and wanting to meet/talk with others, you may want to check this out. Laters, _ _ _ Bobby Kleemann http://sdcc17.ucsd.edu/~rkleeman/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 07:47:00 -0700 From: "Tony P. Krvaric" To: Bobby Kleemann Subject: Re: RR Meeting (aka Beer and Info) Hello fellow RoadRunner users, ...my name is Tony Krvaric, and I am sending this e-mail to let you know about the location that most people seem to agree on to meet at. Date : Wednesday, August the 6th Time : 6pm and onwards Place: Applebee's Neighborhood Grill & Bar 7677 Balboa Avenue Tel. (619) 569-4554 A Map: (courtesy of Bob Cunningham - thanx!) http://www.vicinity.com/yt.hm?FAM=mapblast&CMD=GEO&SEC=find&IC=0%3A0%3A5&IC% 3A=Applebees+Neighborhood+Grill+%26+Bar%2C+Kearny+Mesa&AD2=7677+Balboa+Avenu e&AD3=San+Diego%2C+CA+92115 I've gotten responses from 5 people who did indeed agree to meet at the location above this Wednesday. A total of 25 people mentioned that they would be interested, so I still don't know what the "rest of you" think, but I think it's time we set a time/date/location just to get this thing off the ground and see if it's a success. I will volounteer to call the restaurant and ask them to set-up the right (?) amount of tables for us and I'll even go there 5.45pm to make sure they don't screw things up. All I ask is that you reply to myself through e-mail or call me at 549-4000 (ask for Tony) and let me know. The following people have said they'll be there this Wednesday; * David E. Wilensky * Bob Cunningham * Adam Tilghman * Joseph Snodgrass * Davey Smith * myself (? :-) ...hope to hear from as many of you as possible. And if you're reading this through e-mail, please know that I've sent this identical message to the newsgroup and vice versa. Sincerely, Tony P. Krvaric FairLight San Diego, California ---------------------------------------------------- FairLight - When Dreams Come True... ---------------------------------------------------- "Government is not the solution to our problems... Government is the problem." - Ronald Reagan ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Aug 1 11:48:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA23476 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:48:01 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA10612 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:46:39 -0700 Received: from duggy.tns.net (duggy.tns.net [204.216.142.191]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA10607 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:46:34 -0700 Received: (qmail 62 invoked by uid 501); 1 Aug 1997 18:46:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:46:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Duggy To: UCSD Talk Subject: Re: No more B&B In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 203 On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Bobby Kleemann wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Taner Halicioglu wrote: > > > DAMN! > > > > http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/9707/31/beavis.butthead.ap/ > > When does the last episode air? Maybe we should get together a > "Heheh, that was cool" party for the last episode? They said Oct 10 was the last episode, in the article. I'm there for the "Heh heh, that was cool" party. Doug -- Home : (619) 672-3363 / duggy@duggy.tns.net Work : (619) 657-4452 / doug_shea@wtc.sel.sony.com Pager : (800) 413-2239 / 132239@skymail.com Cel : (619) 823-SHEA From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Fri Aug 1 09:30:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA17856 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:30:19 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id JAA09643 for talk-ucsd-out; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:28:59 -0700 Received: from sdcc17.ucsd.edu (sdcc17.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.17]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA09639 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:28:56 -0700 Received: from localhost (rkleeman@localhost) by sdcc17.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA06466; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:28:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Kleemann To: Taner Halicioglu cc: UCSD Talk Subject: Re: No more B&B In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 204 On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Taner Halicioglu wrote: > DAMN! > > http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/9707/31/beavis.butthead.ap/ When does the last episode air? Maybe we should get together a "Heheh, that was cool" party for the last episode? _ _ _ Bobby Kleemann http://sdcc17.ucsd.edu/~rkleeman/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Jul 31 23:50:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA00868 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 23:50:49 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id XAA05901 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 23:46:44 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA05897 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 23:46:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id XAA03488 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 23:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 23:46:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: UCSD Talk Subject: No more B&B Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 205 DAMN! http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/9707/31/beavis.butthead.ap/ From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Thu Jul 24 08:47:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id IAA03247 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 08:47:20 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id IAA11594 for talk-ucsd-out; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 08:39:53 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA11590 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 08:39:48 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id IAA26020 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 08:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 08:39:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: UCSD Talk Subject: Windows NT rantings from the L0pht (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 206 cool :-) But we already knew NT sucked! -Taner ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:24:37 -0400 From: owner-bugtraq@NETSPACE.ORG To: BUGTRAQ@NETSPACE.ORG Subject: Windows NT rantings from the L0pht I didn't ask to be cc'd into the rantings of the MS Borg Marketing Juggernaut but since I'm here... I find this hillarious. The people at MS should know better. I haven't been following this thread tremendously but I've seen bit's and pieces. Recently there was an attrocious article in WindowsNT magazine, where they stated it would take 5000 or so years to break the passwords; thus put policy in place to have users change their passwords every 2500 years. HELLO? I think these people aren't getting it. Let's shed some light on things shall we? 1. Thank you very little MS for dropping any reference to the l0pht, hobbit, or myself in reference to your recent LM-Hash fix. If this is how you "correspond" with people who point out problems to you it's no wonder that people prefer to release things to the public instead of your "proper" channels. 2. MS agrees that the LM hash is a horrible implementation from a security standpoint. They respond with: "well we didn't write the protocol that was IBM". 3. When MS had the chance to do things a different way (ie Network challenge/response obfuscation on NT boxes) they implemented it based upon LM techniques to break up components (see #2). 4. The LM-hash fix works great if you don't have anything but NT machines on your network. If you want to continue being "productive" with your win95 machines it is my understanding that you "do it insecurely" or you are S.O.L. 5. Few places are running "nothing but NT" (ie just about everyone has 95 or WfW boxes if MS has already gotten their foot in the door). (see #4) 6. MS can't swallow their pride enough to say "oops", even in technical circles where they don't have to worry about the general public mis-interpreting things. 7. For the LM hash you only have to break 7 characters, not 14! 8. MS keeps talking about the NT hash being so secure while refusing to talk about how weak the LM hash is. Guess what, you probably won't be able to use the "added security" of the NT hash on your network. Why keep talking about something people can't use? 9. Even though the NT hash spec says you can have up to 128 char passwords, I'd really like someone to show me how they can type more than 14 characters into UserManager before it starts Beep-Beep'ing at them. 10. We demonstrate up front with proof of concept code in L0phtcrack v1.0, and L0phtcrack v1.5 that the following is indeed the case. For those that don't know, L0phtcrack v1.5 will attack the challenge response done over the network. The reason we came out with this was that the SYSKEY "fix" that MS came out with only managed to emasculate the ADMINISTRATOR and not address the actuall problem. Can we say "save face"? I knew we could. L0phtcrack v1.5 is available for FREE from http://www.L0pht.com (that's a ZERO after the 'L', not an 'o') . It comes with source so you can build it on just about any platform. It is proof-of concept code and thus could be sped up tremendously. Now, let's rip apart why it is so trivial to go through the LM hash on the network. And then talk about why the NT hash doesn't matter. -------------------------- ----------------------------- | 16byte LM hash | | 16byte NT hash (md4) | -------------------------- ----------------------------- We already know that you only have to go through 7 characters to retrieve passwords (up to 14 chars in length) in the LM hash, and that since there is no salting being done, constants show up all over the place giving away too much information and speeding up attacks tremendously. ------------------------------------------------- | 1st 8bytes of LMhash | second 8bytes of LMhash | ------------------------------------------------- 1st 8 bytes are derived from the first seven characters of the password and the second 8 bytes are derived from the 8th through 14th characters of the password. If the password is less than 7 characters then the second half will always be: 0xAAD3B435B51404EE. Let's assume for this example that the users password has a LM hash of 0xC23413A8A1E7665fAAD3B435B51404EE (which I'll save everyone the nanosecond it would have taken for them to plug this into L0phtcrack and have it tell them the password is "WELCOME"). Here's what happens to this hash on the network: -------- -------- | A | <______________| B | | | | | -------- -------- B sends an 8 byte challenge to A. (assume 0x0001020304050607) Machine A takes the hash of 0xC23413A8A1E7665fAAD3B435B51404EE and adds 5 nulls to it, thus becoming 0xC23413A8A1E7665fAAD3B435B51404EE0000000000. The string 0xC23413A8A1E7665fAAD3B435B51404EE0000000000 is broken into three groups of 7: C23413A8A1E766 5fAAD3B435B514 04EE0000000000 The 7 byte strings are str_to_key'd (if you will) into 8 byte odd parity des keys. Now we have : | 8byteDeskey1 | | 8byteDeskey2 | | 8 byteDeskey3 | 8byteDeskey1 is used to encrypt the challenge 0x0001020304050607. Let's assume the result is 0xAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. 8byteDeskey2 is used to encrypt the challenge 0x0001020304050607. Let's assume the result is 0xBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB. 8byteDeskey3 is used to encrypt the challenge 0x0001020304050607. Let's assume the result is 0xCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC. The three 8byte values are concatenated (!dumb!), and the 24 byte response of 0xAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBCCCCCCCC is returned to the server. The server does the same thing to the hash on it's end and compares the result to the 24 byte response. If they match, it was the correct original hash. Why this is boneheaded: ---------------------- 7 char or less passwords. -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- | C23413A8A1E766 || 5fAAD3B435B514 || 04EE0000000000 | -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- The first thing we check is to see if the users password is less than 8 characters in length. We do this by taking the 7 byte value of 0x04EE0000000000, turning it into an 8 byte odd parity DES key, and encrypting it against the 8 byte challenge of 0x0001020304050607. If we get the result of 0xCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC then we are pretty sure it's < 8 chars in length. In order to be sure we can run through 0x??AAD3B435B514 (ie 256 possible combinations) to see that 5f shows us the result is 0xBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB, proving that the password is less than 7 characters and also giving us the last byte of the first half of the LM hash. >From this point, even assuming we're just joyriding and not worried about optimizing the way this is done (believe me, there are much more effective ways to do this that reduce the amount of time needed even further... this whole this is just showing that even a simplistic attack works against this implementation), it's no different than how a tool like L0phtcrack attacks the hashes in the registry. 8 char or greater passwords. -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- | C23413A8A1E766 || AC435F2DD90417 || CCD60000000000 | -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- The first thing to check is whether the password is less than 8 characters in length. Deriving the 8 byte odd parity des key from 0x04EE0000000000 and encrypting against 0x0001020304050607 does not, in this case, give us 0xCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC, so we know that the password is 8 characters or greater. It takes us, in a worst case scenario, 65535 checks to figure out that the 2bytes that are used in the last third are 0xCCD6. Even approaching this in a completely brain-dead fashion (hey, turn-about is fair play), you can go through your 7 digit combinations of characters for the first third the same way you would the LM hash from the registry. This will yield not only the first third of the response, but also the first byte of the second third. Keep in mind that you already have the last two bytes that made up the third third. You could approach the middle third in the same fashion. (note: this whole method that MS is doing screams for a precompute table lookup attack - which given the small enough potential values is not impossible by any means) Thus, the challenge response is completely brute-forcable for the LM-hash. MS made the "oversight" of still sending the LM-hash response along with the NT response even when SP3 was installed. Thus it was a moot point as to how tough or well done the NT hash might or might not be. Since installing the LM-fix precludes continued use of windows 95 machines in regards to talking to NT machines, it is still a moot point as to how tough or well done the NT hash might or might not be. The LM hash is incredibly weak and your more secure NT hash is brought down to the lowest common denominator. Thus, the challenge response is completely brute-forcable for the LM-hash. MS made the "oversight" of still sending the LM-hash response along with the NT response even when SP3 was installed. Thus it was a moot point as to how tough or well done the NT hash might or might not be. Since installing the LM-fix precludes continued use of windows 95 machines in regards to talking to NT machines, it is still a moot point as to how tough or well done the NT hash might or might not be. The LM hash is incredibly weak and your more secure NT hash is brought down to the lowest common denominator. It would have been nice if you could type a password greater than 14chars into the UserManager app. .mudge -------------------- http://www.l0pht.com/advisories.html - for more security related articles published by the L0pht -------------------- From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Wed Jul 23 09:38:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA30641 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:38:36 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id JAA04299 for talk-ucsd-out; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:30:17 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA04295 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:30:13 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id JAA10497 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:30:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: UCSD Talk Subject: Internic takes Alternic to court (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 207 URL is http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/5403.html -Taner ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:57:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Cameo Wood To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Internic takes Alternic to court After nearly a two-week spree, the hijack of the InterNIC Web site ended when a lawyer representing Network Solutions Inc. delivered a civil action lawsuit against Eugene Kashpureff, who is scheduled to appear in court today at 9 a.m. EDT. Kashpureff, operator of the renegade top-level domain registry AlterNIC, fooled most of the Net's nameservers into changing the identity of the www.netsol.com and www.internic.net machines to that of his own. Due to the distributed nature of the network, DNS may still resolve to AlterNIC through some nameservers - even though for Kashpureff, the gig is up. "I turned it off at 12 p.m. yesterday when that lawyer called me," Kashpureff said Tuesday, not sounding as chipper as he did in earlier times. Network Solutions Inc. filed suit in US District Court in Alexandria, Virginia, seeking to shut down Kashpureff. Kashpureff denies most of the allegations and accusations. "I haven't had time to get ready [for the hearing], due to the nature and the speed of it," he said. "We do not intend to redirect the domain names of the InterNIC or of Network Solutions any longer and will promise the court not to do that, and hence they don't have any reason to take any immediate action against me." Network Solutions, which is still in its pre-IPO quiet period, refused to confirm or deny anything: "We still have no comment on that situation," a spokesperson said. But apparently, it is swift and vehement action that Network Solutions has called for. "The part I really want you to know, and the part that I want you to care about," Kashpureff explains, is the contents of the 42-page civil action itself - which calls for a complete seizure of all his computer equipment, including any data on magnetic storage. "They're turning me into a child pornographer," he said. "Read just how bad they're trying to rape me and the public - there's some very inflammatory statements about .com, .net, and .org in this document itself." While most network operators do not support Kashpureff's actions, his protest of the InterNIC monopoly strikes a common chord in many, including Aaron Abelard, who cites Network Solutions' unwillingness to work toward a compromise in allowing more top-level domains. Karl Denninger, president of MCS Inc., which also < provides alternative top-level domains, agrees. But he certainly doesn't agree with Kashpureff's tactics. "I do not support this kind of terrorism," he said. "This won't make me very popular with anyone over at the AlterNIC camp, but I hope he does go to jail." From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Jul 22 12:00:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA27650 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:00:03 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA29415 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:52:53 -0700 Received: from buffy.isi.net (buffy.isi.net [204.71.194.215]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA29411 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:52:50 -0700 Received: from localhost (taner@localhost) by buffy.isi.net (8.8.5/ISI-1.5) with SMTP id LAA26311 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:52:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Taner Halicioglu X-Sender: taner@buffy To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Subject: Re: problem at cerf.net SFO? In-Reply-To: <199707221845.LAA09507@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 208 On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Erik Yewell wrote: > Is it just me, or is there a problem at cerf.net in SFO: > > mufasa (53) % traceroute NCTUCCCA.edu.tw > traceroute to NCTUCCCA.edu.tw (140.111.1.10), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets > 1 tigerfish.sdsc.edu (132.249.40.11) 7 ms 6 ms 7 ms > 2 avatar.sdsc.edu (132.249.30.13) 3 ms 2 ms 3 ms > 3 medusa.sdsc.edu (132.249.30.10) 3 ms (ttl=254!) 2 ms (ttl=254!) 3 ms (ttl=254!) > 4 sdscdmz-fddi.cerf.net (198.17.46.153) 218 ms (ttl=253!) 14 ms (ttl=253!) 4 ms (ttl=253!) > 5 atm1-0-155M.svnode.sd.cerf.net (134.24.32.6) 4 ms (ttl=252!) 4 ms (ttl=252!) 4 ms > (ttl=252!) > 6 atm1-0-1.maew.sf.cerf.net (134.24.29.34) 76 ms (ttl=251!) 29 ms (ttl=251!) 30 ms > (ttl=251!) > 7 sl-mae-w-F0/0.sprintlink.net (198.32.136.11) 370 ms * * > 8 144.232.3.130 (144.232.3.130) 62 ms (ttl=249!) sl-mae-w-F0/0.sprintlink.net > (198.32.136.11) 39 ms (ttl=249!) 36 ms (ttl=249!) [...] > 15 fddi0-0.maew.sf.cerf.net (134.24.88.200) 350 ms (ttl=251!) 125 ms (ttl=251!) 109 ms > (ttl=251!) > 16 * * fddi0-0.maew.sf.cerf.net (134.24.88.200) 67 ms (ttl=251!) > 17 fddi1-0.maew2.sf.cerf.net (134.24.88.100) 115 ms (ttl=250!) 107 ms (ttl=250!) 76 ms yeah... looks like something burped -- and then the cerfnet routers just started handing the packets back and forth ;) Sprint was have fun problems this morning -- we had almost 20,000 dampened route paths in out DC router, and about 5000 in Sunnyvale... I seem to be able to get there now: traceroute to NCTUCCCA.edu.tw (140.111.1.10), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 core2-fddi4-1.SV.isi.net (206.251.5.89) 0.948 ms 1.01 ms 1.142 ms 2 core1-pos6-0.MV.isi.net (206.251.0.29) 2.321 ms 2.283 ms 2.004 ms 3 border2-fddi2-0.MV.isi.net (206.251.1.18) 2.826 ms 3.61 ms 3.316 ms 4 bordercore2-hssi1-0.Bloomington.mci.net (166.48.177.253) 24.954 ms 23.895 ms 23.133 ms 5 core3.Bloomington.mci.net (204.70.4.21) 26.786 ms 28.045 ms 23.935 ms 6 * * somerouter.sprintlink.net (206.157.77.42) 129.7 ms 7 sl-stk-1-P2/0/0-155M.sprintlink.net (144.228.41.2) 103.662 ms 103.645 ms 104.338 ms 8 gsl-stock-3-Fddi0/0.gsl.net (204.59.128.197) 280.44 ms 255.716 ms 196.442 ms 9 204.59.160.54 (204.59.160.54) 369.541 ms 316.924 ms 368.615 ms 10 192.83.166.1 (192.83.166.1) 385.887 ms 425.895 ms 388.163 ms 11 * NCTUCCCA.edu.tw (140.111.1.10) 333.721 ms * *shrug* -Taner From owner-talk-ucsd@nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org Tue Jul 22 11:52:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (dt6h2n25.san.rr.com [204.210.36.37]) by carhart.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA27420 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:52:39 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA29340 for talk-ucsd-out; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:44:43 -0700 Received: from sdcc6.ucsd.edu (sdcc6.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.6]) by nuthaus.ephemeral.mib.org (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA29336 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:44:39 -0700 Received: (from eyewell@localhost) by sdcc6.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09507 for talk-ucsd@mib.org; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:45:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Yewell Message-Id: <199707221845.LAA09507@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> Subject: problem at cerf.net SFO? To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:45:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from Taner Halicioglu at Jul "12," 1997 "02:04:27" am X-Mailer: ELM [Revision: 213.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-talk-ucsd@mib.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: talk-ucsd@mib.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 209 Is it just me, or is there a problem at cerf.net in SFO: mufasa (53) % traceroute NCTUCCCA.edu.tw traceroute to NCTUCCCA.edu.tw (140.111.1.10), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 tigerfish.sdsc.edu (132.249.40.11) 7 ms 6 ms 7 ms 2 avatar.sdsc.edu (132.249.30.13) 3 ms 2 ms 3 ms 3 medusa.sdsc.edu (132.249.30.10) 3 ms (ttl=254!) 2 ms (ttl=254!) 3 ms (ttl=254!) 4 sdscdmz-fddi.cerf.net (198.17.46.153) 218 ms (ttl=253!) 14 ms (ttl=253!) 4 ms (ttl=253!) 5 atm1-0-155M.svnode.sd.cerf.net (134.24.32.6) 4 ms (ttl=252!) 4 ms (ttl=252!) 4 ms (ttl=252!) 6 atm1-0-1.maew.sf.cerf.net (134.24.29.34) 76 ms (ttl=251!) 29 ms (ttl=251!) 30 ms (ttl=251!) 7 sl-mae-w-F0/0.sprintlink.net (198.32.136.11) 370 ms * * 8 144.232.3.130 (144.232.3.130) 62 ms (ttl=249!) sl-mae-w-F0/0.sprintlink.net (198.32.136.11) 39 ms (ttl=249!) 36 ms (ttl=249!) 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 fddi0-0.maew.sf.cerf.net (134.24.88.200) 350 ms (ttl=251!) 125 ms (ttl=251!) 109 ms (ttl=251!) 16 * * fddi0-0.maew.sf.cerf.net (134.24.88.200) 67 ms (ttl=251!) 17 fddi1-0.maew2.sf.cerf.net